Defining a great horse

The Indomitable DrugS · #1 10-26-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Street Sense broke the Juvy-Derby Jynx... Also added the Jim Dandy and Travers to it... Second in the Preakness and Second to a great form Hard Spun in the Turfway race. I think he was great.

Street Sense won extremely low rated runnings of the Jim Dandy and Travers in close races over the immortal duo of Grasshopper and CP West.

He basically pulled off a Mine That Bird twice ... and was otherwise nothing speical.

RockHardTen1985 · #2 10-26-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Street Sense won extremely low rated runnings of the Jim Dandy and Travers in close races over the immortal duo of Grasshopper and CP West.

He basically pulled off a Mine That Bird twice ... and was otherwise nothing speical.

So the Juvy-Derby does not define Greatness?

NTamm1215 · #3 10-26-2009, 06:53 PM

Street Sense was so not great.

NT

NTamm1215 · #4 10-26-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sammy

i love him but once again he was a horse retired too early. i would have liked to see him and hard spun go another year.

I have a feeling Street Sense would be held in even lower esteem if he had been back as a 4YO. I thought his last four races were pretty forgettable.

NT

Sightseek · #5 10-26-2009, 08:13 PM

Where would you put a horse like Formal Gold?

GPK · #6 10-26-2009, 08:17 PM

1. Smart Strike as your sire
2. Belva as your damn
3. Be foaled on April 10, 2002

The Indomitable DrugS · #7 10-26-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Where would you put a horse like Formal Gold?

Top 5 factors:

1. Ability as a dirt horse (Elite)
2. Ability to beat good horses (beat super horses with ease)
3. Ability to run fast figures (Elite)
4. Ability to be consistant and hold form (Fail)
5. Ability to handle tough trips, bad rides, and unfavorable circumstances (Never faced any major adversity in his big races)

Probably too many flaws to consider a great horse ... but certainly an all-time great talent.

eajinabi · #8 10-26-2009, 10:20 PM

Ability of a horse that can run and win at sprints as well as routes.
Ability of a horse that can run and win as a closer, stalker or front runner.

Ghostzapper

The Indomitable DrugS · #9 10-26-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

So the Juvy-Derby does not define Greatness?

Giacomo beat the last out BC Juvie winner in the Hollywood Futurity - and finished a quickly diminishing 2nd beaten a length to that years 2yo champion.

Remembering Giacomo as a 2yo ... I think he would have beaten Wilko had he run in the Juvie.

To answer your question .. hell no!