Freshman sires

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Man - one look at that avatar - and these images of Steve Phillips just slamming that Todd Hundley girl in the butt consume my head.

when I first saw it I thought she was a 'make a wish' kid so it could have been worse.

[MISTERGEE]

wildcat heirs total wins from starts % must be best?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Dickinson had a strong year with breeding stock last year.

Of the three Horse of the Year finalists ... he trained the dams of both Big Brown and Zenyatta.

He also trained the nations leading 2yo sire Tapit... as well as Soto - who sired 4 different 2yo stakes winners from just 13 to make the races.

Here's last years top 10 North American freshman sires. Last years group seems like a much stronger group than Roman Ruler, Proud Accolade, Pollard's Vision etc.

1 Tapit
2 Lion Heart
3 Candy Ride
4 Medaglia d'Oro
5 Speightstown
6 Chapel Royal
7 Even the Score
8 Birdstone
9 Peace Rules
10 Congaree

[VOL JACK]

The funny thing about this years Freshman Sires are the ones that are getting the Turf runners.
I just watched a 100k stake from Retama.
The top 3 finishers were by freshman sires.
1st: Kittens Joy ( expected to be turf only)
2nd: Bwana Charlie
3rd: Eddington

not to mention all the Ghostzappers that are running on the grass.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There's a lot of goofy things that happen with stallions.

In general... it seems like horses who are both well bred and were excellent milers are least likely to be total busts.

The type of super race horses who sell cheaply at 2yo sales are often downright dismal sires.

Skip Away, Formal Gold, and Silver Charm all sold for 100K or less at a 2yo sale .... were all amazing race horses ... and neither one can sire anything.

From this years freshman group - Afleet Alex was a damn good race horse and he sold for 75K at a 2yo sale - I doubt he can be any worse of a sire than SA, FG, or SC ... but I wouldn't expect a great deal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There's a lot of goofy things that happen with stallions.

In general... it seems like horses who are both well bred and were excellent milers are least likely to be total busts.

The type of super race horses who sell cheaply at 2yo sales are often downright dismal sires.

Skip Away, Formal Gold, and Silver Charm all sold for 100K or less at a 2yo sale .... were all amazing race horses ... and neither one can sire anything.

From this years freshman group - Afleet Alex was a damn good race horse and he sold for 75K at a 2yo sale - I doubt he can be any worse of a sire than SA, FG, or SC ... but I wouldn't expect a great deal.

Sons of Skip Trial, Black Tie Affair and Silver Buck would not be ideal sire of sire types especially when all three were out of pretty weak female families.
Northern Afleet is decidedly better than those others but I dont think AA will have much lasting impact.

[CSC]

Not a stellar list though I would expect GZ's numbers to improve. A horse I always liked was Southern Image, his stud fee was a cheap $7500 as a freshman, 9-28 with earnings of $253,440 thus far. Maybe he can rise to the top with more exposure. A bargain compared to GZ or RHT.

[Habersham000]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Dickinson had a strong year with breeding stock last year.

Of the three Horse of the Year finalists ... he trained the dams of both Big Brown and Zenyatta.

He also trained the nations leading 2yo sire Tapit... as well as Soto - who sired 4 different 2yo stakes winners from just 13 to make the races.

Here's last years top 10 North American freshman sires. Last years group seems like a much stronger group than Roman Ruler, Proud Accolade, Pollard's Vision etc.

1 Tapit
2 Lion Heart
3 Candy Ride
4 Medaglia d'Oro
5 Speightstown
6 Chapel Royal
7 Even the Score
8 Birdstone
9 Peace Rules
10 Congaree

You can't compare last years freshman class to this years yet.....we haven't seen what this years freshman stallions can do when their horses turn 3. Right now your comparing a class with only 2 yo in october to a class that has had 2 crops of 2yo and a crop of 3yo.....we have had some grade 1 winners out of this years freshman class so this could be a nice class.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You can't compare them yet fairly ... but it's pretty unlikely they will stack up.

You had this years Derby winner, Preakness winner, and Belmont winner all from '08 freshman sires.

Super Filly Ice (Rachel Alexandra) and Super Filly Light (Careless Jewel) as well.

Not to mention that Freddy Mo already has Speightstown penciled in as the next Mr. Prospector.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Habersham000

You can't compare last years freshman class to this years yet.....we haven't seen what this years freshman stallions can do when their horses turn 3. Right now your comparing a class with only 2 yo in october to a class that has had 2 crops of 2yo and a crop of 3yo.....we have had some grade 1 winners out of this years freshman class so this could be a nice class.

While stranger things have happened, it is highly doubtful that this years freshman stallions will have any lasting impact, let alone be anywhere in the same stratosphere as last years outstanding group.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While stranger things have happened, it is highly doubtful that this years freshman stallions will have any lasting impact, let alone be anywhere in the same stratosphere as last years outstanding group.

I agree. There appears to be no comparison between 2008 and 2009. 2008 was an incredibly strong year for freshman stallions. To have Tapit, Megdalia D'Oro, Candy Ride, Lion Heart, and Speighstown in the same year is a very strong year. Candy Ride is on fire right now. I was considering sending a mare to him this year but I heard he is booked full and the seasons are going from $27k-$35k with no guarantee.