Top 5 best two-surface horses of the last 20 years

Travis Stone · #1 10-22-2009, 10:47 AM

Look at those Beyers... it's been a long time since we saw a lot of those.

Gander · #2 10-22-2009, 10:53 AM

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Look at those Beyers... it's been a long time since we saw a lot of those.

Especially 3 in a row.

Formal Gold = Much better than Ghsozapper

CSC · #3 10-22-2009, 10:58 AM

For comparsion's sake let's see Cigar's past p's during his streak. I'm sure it will illustrate he was on top of his game longer than than SA or FG.

KirisClown · #4 10-22-2009, 12:51 PM

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For comparsion's sake let's see Cigar's past p's during his streak. I'm sure it will illustrate he was on top of his game longer than than SA or FG.

Indian Charlie · #5 10-22-2009, 12:55 PM

ugh.

I bet him in about 10 of his 14 losses.

I at least did hit Dare and Go though!

CSC · #6 10-22-2009, 01:13 PM

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Thanks KirisClown, I gotta learn how you guys to do that.

robfla · #7 10-22-2009, 01:29 PM

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Thanks KirisClown, I gotta learn how you guys to do that.

scan to jpg from the book "champions", upload to photobucket, post on forum. Not rocket science.

CSC · #8 10-22-2009, 01:34 PM

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scan to jpg from the book "champions", upload to photobucket, post on forum. Not rocket science.

I was close, I converted an adobe file of his past p's to a jpeg but it was too large to post here. Photobucket I never heard of until now, I got it, Thx.

CSC · #9 10-22-2009, 02:37 PM

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2 days short of 2 full calendar years on top of his game. 20 races in that timespan with a record of 17-2-1. Whoever said it earlier is 100% correct, people would be all over themselves on this board today if we had a horse like this, it would dwarf what Rachel has done in her 2/3rds of a year campaign.

Travis Stone · #10 10-22-2009, 11:23 AM

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Formal Gold = Much better than Ghsozapper

That might be stretching it a bit... Ghostzapper hit/miss in terms of starts, but rarely did he not put forth a giant effort. But on dope alone, they're similar for sure.

RockHardTen1985 · #11 10-22-2009, 02:47 PM

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Especially 3 in a row.

Formal Gold = Much better than Ghsozapper

CaNDY Ride was better then both of them.

cakes44 · #12 10-22-2009, 02:50 PM

For all 6 of his starts?

RockHardTen1985 · #13 10-22-2009, 02:51 PM

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For all 6 of his starts?

Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

In all honesty I dont really remember Formal Gold... I do REMEMBER Candy Ride and Ghostzapper and Candy Ride was much better.

NTamm1215 · #14 10-22-2009, 02:52 PM

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Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

In all honesty I dont really remember Formal Gold... I do REMEMBER Candy Ride and Ghostzapper and Candy Ride was much better.

You're severely under-estimating the quality of the field that Ghostzapper toyed with in the 2004 Classic. It was pretty good.

NT

RockHardTen1985 · #15 10-22-2009, 02:55 PM

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You're severely under-estimating the quality of the field that Ghostzapper toyed with in the 2004 Classic. It was pretty good.

NT

Im not under-estimating it... I never said anything about it. I will say the best horse Candy Ride ever beat was WAY BETTER then anything Ghostzapper beat.

cakes44 · #16 10-22-2009, 02:58 PM

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Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

I certainly won't debate that Candy Ride was brilliant. "Brilliant" and "better horse" are 2 different things IMO.

CSC · #17 10-22-2009, 03:57 PM

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Lets debate this, I am sure people will agree. Candy Ride was BRILLIANT.

In all honesty I dont really remember Formal Gold... I do REMEMBER Candy Ride and Ghostzapper and Candy Ride was much better.

GZ was better IMO, though if we are looking at one race scenario's CR's Pacific Classic would rate with GZ's better performances.

Longevity, singular races, short spanning careers...To each is own to decide. If we are going by singular performances then why not Holy Bull's Woodward Stks win?

RockHardTen1985 · #18 10-22-2009, 03:58 PM

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GZ was better IMO, though if we are looking at one race scenario's CR's Pacific Classic would rate with GZ's better performances.

Longevity, singular races, short spanning careers...To each is own to decide. If we are going by singular performances then why not Holy Bull's Woodward Stks win?

I get what your saying and if we asked 10 DTer's we could get a 5-5 split. Its just opinions. I think Candy Ride was better, but Ghostzapper did do more, but dont forget Candy Rides turf races. I think Rock Hard Ten was better and more talented then Saint Liam.

The Indomitable DrugS · #19 10-22-2009, 04:08 PM

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If we are going by singular performances then why not Holy Bull's Woodward Stks win?

I would rate Holy Bull's Travers as his clear-cut best performance.

I'd also say his Travers win was his most memorable performance and the upset of Dehere in the slop as a 2yo his 2nd most memorable performance.

To me - The Woodward was merely just the race where he conclusively answered the question about his ability to rate.

He already had proved he could massacre excellent older horses when he destroyed a super field in the Met with easily the best Beyer he ever ran. But, he got away with an unpressured almost 23 flat first quarter that day ... while under just 112lbs ... that one really wasn't fair.

KirisClown · #20 10-22-2009, 02:50 PM

Speaking of Formal Gold, Skip Away and Will's Way... I just uploaded this one to YouTube..

1997 Whitney Handicap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zVjltILP_A