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10-21-2009, 11:55 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypzZ9...eature=related Unfortunately she suffered an injury prior to her 4 yr old and she wasn't the same horse after that, still she managed a good 3rd in the Bev D. I wish she had run a few more times in America in her 3 yr old season to see where she stood to the other great fillies. Perhaps this would have given her the recognition she truly deserved. 
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10-21-2009, 12:48 PM
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10-21-2009, 12:55 PM
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Elusive Quality is like a top 5-to-10 two-surface horse based on speed figures ... but would probably be impossible to put in the top 500 because of his record.
Ultimate all-time poster horse for big speed figures against cheap horses and big flops in stakes. Elusive Quality ran a 122 Beyer on dirt as a 4yo and a 123 on dirt the next year. He also ran a 112 on turf - only a 113 by Da Hoss in the Breeders Cup Mile was higher on turf that year. The problem is that Elusive Quality never won a stakes race of any kind on dirt - and never won anything more than a Grade 3 on turf. Good sire though - he has a Kentucky Derby winner in Smarty Jones and a BC Classic winner in Raven's Pass .. as well as a top flight 3yo this year in Quality Road.
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10-21-2009, 01:04 PM
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10-21-2009, 01:10 PM
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He's top 5 three surfaces for sure.
Nice Brazil bred... but I'd give a slight edge to the Brazil bred Sandpit over Einstein.
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10-21-2009, 01:17 PM
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How about Blushing John, who just falls within the 20 year limit.
Winner of the French "2,000 guineas." Picked up an Eclipse as champ older horse in U.S. as a 4yo by winning the Hollywood Gold Cup, Pimlico Special, and finishing 3rd behind Easy Goer and Sunday Silence in the BCC.
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Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner? You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really don't want me to go down there!
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10-21-2009, 01:50 PM
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10-21-2009, 12:09 PM
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I can't remember, were any of Invasor's wins in South America on the turf? What about Midnight Lute? Great on Dirt and a Breeders' Cup Sprint winner on both Dirt and "pro-ride"...
On the Barbaro front, how many exclusively US based horses would be placed ahead of him?
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10-21-2009, 01:17 PM
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However ... Midnight Lute and Raven's Pass have the two best cases for syth and something else. Obviously dirt and syn for ML and turf and syn for RP. Though, that wasn't what I intended to rate. As for Barbaro ... it really boils down to two questions. 1.) are you rating based on what he might have done or what he actually did? 2.) Do you discredit 2yo turf racing because it's never mattered much here? Based on how you answer those two questions ... you'll either have very few exclusive US horses ahead of him or many.
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