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10-19-2009, 10:29 AM
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And why shouldn't I be mad? Wouldn't you be mad if someone punched you in the face, stuck their hand in your pocket, took a couple hundred bucks and walked away with your money? or would you be cool with it. I see no difference between that and what happened with this race. I along with thousands of other people were criminally robbed by what transpired. 
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10-19-2009, 10:32 AM
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 It's called gambling for a reason.
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10-19-2009, 10:33 AM
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Not to mention that lots of folks see early money as "smart money" on unraced horses. So, either way, if she's owned by as gigantic a group as you say, then naturally they're going to bet her.
They bet her hard, she opens at low odds. Others with no information at all see a firster with solid back works, breaking from the 12 for a competent conditioner, open as the heavily bet chalk and say "hey, someone knows something." In a race like that, a horse like that taking lots of early money marked her as a contender, so she continued to get bet. Big deal. Plus, it's not like this "post 12" thing is some giant conspiracy....considering that this Spring, from limited starters in one-turn main track races, it was the 4th most advantageous post as far as percentage of winners....and get this -- last fall? The MOST advantageous post for one-turn main track races, when runners breaking from that wild hellhole won an almost unfathomable 23% of their races.
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10-19-2009, 10:35 AM
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And trust me, there is only a few owners out there that mess with the odds, Averil is one of them, all his horses get pounded because he is a maniac.
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10-19-2009, 10:58 AM
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Here's the point im trying to make with this thread.
I am a life long track and horse enthusiast, I was born a stones throw away from Saratoga Racecourse, i've never missed a Travers in my life. Ive owned a couple horses in my life, worked at a racetrack for 10 years, been gambling since I was 8 and prob have put damn near 6 figures through the windows. At this point in my life I dont follow racing as close as I used to in the past so I dont have the luxury to watch TVG and hear them tout this horse or know that Mcpeek points all his bombs to win at keeneland or think about watching rolling doubles to see if there are odds discrepancies . So this weekend I was in the Miami area and decided to pop in Calder for a few. I still stop at the local simulcast once and a while too. But I rely on the info provided to me in the program on that day and I expect it to be correct. When I see stuff like this it makes me want to bet the horses less and less. Now why do you think horse racing is a dieing sport? I would bet on 2 ants crossing the street but now you have someone like me that is completely fed up with betting the horses because of crap like this. What do you think its doing to new people that come to the track and see this? They are running for the hills. Im just sick of making donations to my local betting parlor everytime I walk in.
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10-19-2009, 11:10 AM
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kgar,
Understand the frustration missing the play, but it wasn't a tremendous stretch to include the McPeek firster on any multi-race play Saturday. You say you rely on the program info available, well there was a variety of info that was out there, including the lead DRF capper for Keeneland who picked Connie and Michael 2nd. I included her 4th in my selections and on the P4 ticket as well. This wasn't some hidden horse that was a devious put-over. STEVE KLEIN'S FORM ANALYSIS: 1. Star Recruit 2. Connie and Michael 3. Cactus Cadillac STAR RECRUIT broke slowly, then rallied from 10th to finish third against maiden specials going six furlongs at Presque. She shows an impressive work tab on this track with a half-mile breeze in :47.20, and five furlongs in :59.00. Trainer Eric Reed has won with 24 percent of his maidens making their second career start, with a $2.23 ROI. This filly should like the extra furlong she'll be asked to cover today. CONNIE AND MICHAEL debuts for Ken McPeek, who has won with 16 percent of his first-time starters with a $2.00 ROI. The McPeek/Desormeaux combination has a 24 percent win rate since 2008. This filly owns a nice work tab, and should be ready to roll at first asking. CACTUS CADILLAC finished third at Ellis and a close second at Turfway, but the first-time starters in this field will probably make this a tougher task.
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10-19-2009, 11:19 AM
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Im happy for all the handicappers that picked this horse and Joe blows grandma had her. I as an average horse player believe he was duped by the clocker and the odds maker by false information provided to me by the program provided to me by the track.
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10-19-2009, 11:48 AM
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As Steve already stated, this filly was not a stretch at all.
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10-19-2009, 11:49 AM
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The ML means squat, it is one person's opinion, and that person can't be right ever single race. Hell, I have seen 20/1 ML's open up at 6/5, stay at 6/5 and win by 10 lengths
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10-19-2009, 11:57 AM
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Im still completely confused and need an answer to my question. Why if they are sitting on a monster in this filly did they feel the need to conceal her talent to the betting public? What did they gain? She still opened up even money. Im just going to chalk this up to two things. It was a well conceived plan to hide her talent from the people not in the know and a poorly conceived plan to hide it from people in the know. And the reason why they did this is unknown 
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Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner? You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really don't want me to go down there!
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