Summer Bird could be HOY

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

I know Rachel beat him at her ideal distance with a weight break, but he just trounced a horse she barely beat.

You win the award. Right after the race, I wondered who would be the first to use that as a measuring stick for how good each horse is.

And I'm glad that among the other things we've all learned about you in the first week or so here, the fact that you have no understanding of race dynamics is something we can also add to the list of things we know for certain.

Perhaps had Summer Bird run his first six furlongs some dozen lengths or so faster than he did this afternoon, then we could possibly, maybe, hypothetically even begin to have that conversation.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

You win the award. Right after the race, I wondered who would be the first to use that as a measuring stick for how good each horse is.

And I'm glad that among the other things we've all learned about you in the first week or so here, the fact that you have no understanding of race dynamics is something we can also add to the list of things we know for certain.

Perhaps had Summer Bird run his first six furlongs some dozen lengths or so faster than he did this afternoon, then we could possibly, maybe, hypothetically even begin to have that conversation.

OMG I didnt realize the insanity of the post until you put it in context.

[brianwspencer]

Though lest CSC or anyone think that I'm not giving him credit, that was a hell of a run and he's a really, really, really nice colt. Just think that he's quite unfortunate to have been born the year he was.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Though lest CSC or anyone think that I'm not giving him credit, that was a hell of a run and he's a really, really, really nice colt. Just think that he's quite unfortunate to have been born the year he was.

Well its a slow night, I'm just trying to balance it out as much as I can here and stick one up for Summer Bird and what he has accomplished this yr.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

otherwise he can dine off of those wins over Quality Road who may or may not still be dining off his penultimate career win over a NW2X horse in Dunkirk.

FTFY

Originally Posted by CSC

Well its a slow night, I'm just trying to balance it out as much as I can here and stick one up for Summer Bird and what he has accomplished this yr.

I have no problem with that. Just think that people who make that case have been doing it in the wrong way most of the summer.

[TropicalStorm]

She beat him in a 9f race on a track that favored her. I doubt she beats him in the Travers or JCGC or Belmont.

He definitely is better as he goes longer. I still think Icon Project would have beaten him though is she was in there.

[JerseyJ]

Rachel Alexandra is just simply a better horse than Summer Bird no matter the race, track condition, distance, what have you. Rachel ran against Summer Bird in the Haskell over ideal conditions for Summer Bird on his favorite track which is the slop, as well as in his new style. There is no possible case that could made that Summer Bird is a better horse than Rachel Alexandra.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

There is no possible case that could made that Summer Bird is a better horse than Rachel Alexandra.

You are most wrong sir.

There are illogical cases, cases not well thought out, nonsensical cases, etc in which SB is the better horse.

There are also cases in which RA never beat SB, as well as cases in which SB actually did win the Haskell.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You are most wrong sir.

There are illogical cases, cases not well thought out, nonsensical cases, etc in which SB is the better horse.

There are also cases in which RA never beat SB, as well as cases in which SB actually did win the Haskell.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Rachel Alexandra is just simply a better horse than Summer Bird no matter the race, track condition, distance, what have you. Rachel ran against Summer Bird in the Haskell over ideal conditions for Summer Bird on his favorite track which is the slop, as well as in his new style. There is no possible case that could made that Summer Bird is a better horse than Rachel Alexandra.

I'm not convinced at at 10 or more furlongs, SB wouldn't handle RA. SB has developed alot this year. He is no longer a dead closer but a horse with a strong mid move that is game to the wire. He is unlike most US horses inthat he's better at 10f and 9. How exactly is Monmouth Summer Bird's "favorite track?" It's a track generally kinder to the leader at the top of the stretch than anyone making up ground.
I don't think that Ice would shrink at all from a 10f rematch with RA.
If SB beats all the horses RA beat this summer and several other major contenders in the BCC, esp if Sea The Stars shows up, then he has to be considered a contender for HOY.

[Cannon Shell]

The sad thing is that all we can do is speculate. Why do I have a feeling that JJ will spend more time next year mapping out plans than actually running?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Rachel Alexandra is just simply a better horse than Summer Bird no matter the race, track condition, distance, what have you. Rachel ran against Summer Bird in the Haskell over ideal conditions for Summer Bird on his favorite track which is the slop, as well as in his new style. There is no possible case that could made that Summer Bird is a better horse than Rachel Alexandra.

thank you!