Past the Point to Woodward

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Gander

I think shes a much better animal just off the pace. At least from a visual standpoint, her greatest triumphs have come when not allowed the lead.

Not disagreeing however there is a need by some, perhaps the minority for her to prove just how good or great is the word I am searching for in a field worthy enough where there are no questions that she is one of the best horses of our time, she's already proved she is a great filly. That has been superceded by 'Horse' for me. The Mother Goose, the Oaks, The Haskell are all nice races but really didn't require any challenge for a horse of her caliber, I suspect the Woodward will be much of the same. We need to see her in a top notch quality field to see just how great she is, see how she handles adversity...ect..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Not disagreeing however there is a need by some, perhaps the minority for her to prove just how good or great is the word I am searching for in a field worthy enough where there are no questions that she is one of the best horses of our time, she's already proved she is a great filly. That has been superceded by 'Horse' for me. The Mother Goose, the Oaks, The Haskell are all nice races but really didn't require any challenge for a horse of her caliber, I suspect the Woodward will be much of the same. We need to see her in a top notch quality field to see just how great she is, see how she handles adversity...ect..

perhaps none seemed a challenge because she's just that good? a good horse will always make the others look like donkeys in comparison.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

perhaps none seemed a challenge because she's just that good? a good horse will always make the others look like donkeys in comparison.

The Jockey Club Gold Cup would answer alot of questions and if I were NYRA I would darely love to outdo the BC Classic by somehow getting Zenyatti, Summer Bird, The Derby winner, Rachel Alexandra, Quality Road, Well Armed onto one track. We know some of these will not race on pro ride so this could be attractive. Realistic probably no, but it's nice to think of the possibilities of it happening. However I am not holding my breath.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by CSC

The Jockey Club Gold Cup would answer alot of questions and if I were NYRA I would darely love to outdo the BC Classic by somehow getting Zenyatti, Summer Bird, The Derby winner, Rachel Alexandra, Quality Road, Well Armed onto one track. We know some of these will not race on pro ride so this could be attractive. Realistic probably no, but it's nice to think of the possibilities of it happening. But I am not holding my breath.

I dont think we'll see Quality Road run until the Cigar Mile. He seems to do well with time off and the word is that race took everything out of him yesterday. I would have loved to see what he could have done in the Kings Bishop.

Talk about a horrible weekend for Todd Pletcher. His only consolation was a cheap win from the Roundhouse. 3 bad grade 1's in a row. Unbridled Belle was the nuts on the sundae. Man, that was an utter mess.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I have the race Past The Point is coming out of running a 121 pace and 98 final. It's the fastest pace race of the whole meet on my numbers.

And my pace numbers tend to come back slower than CJ's .. he might have it a 130.

I don't think RA will look her best hooking a stretch out like that.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Gander

He seems to do well with time off

He seemed to run pretty well in the Florida Derby with less than a handful of weeks rest.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gander

I dont think we'll see Quality Road run until the Cigar Mile. He seems to do well with time off and the word is that race took everything out of him yesterday. I would have loved to see what he could have done in the Kings Bishop.

Talk about a horrible weekend for Todd Pletcher. His only consolation was a cheap win from the Roundhouse. 3 bad grade 1's in a row. Unbridled Belle was the nuts on the sundae. Man, that was an utter mess.

He had a first timer win. That filly might be ok, she totally missed the break and won for fun. I 100% agree with you though, it was a mess for him this weekend. Munnings and Quality Road both losing had to hurt.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

The Jockey Club Gold Cup would answer alot of questions and if I were NYRA I would darely love to outdo the BC Classic by somehow getting Zenyatti, Summer Bird, The Derby winner, Rachel Alexandra, Quality Road, Well Armed onto one track. We know some of these will not race on pro ride so this could be attractive. Realistic probably no, but it's nice to think of the possibilities of it happening. However I am not holding my breath.

anyone trying to get zenyatta out of california pre-bc is wasting their time. and what questions? rachel's ability to take on open company will be on display next weekend. other than that, what other questions could there possibly be at this point? as for the derby winner, she's already beaten him. quality road? i don't see the need. and well armed? who cares about well armed?! the only distaffer i think that needs to answer questions at this point is zenyatta-not rachel.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by CSC

Not disagreeing however there is a need by some, perhaps the minority for her to prove just how good or great is the word I am searching for in a field worthy enough where there are no questions that she is one of the best horses of our time, she's already proved she is a great filly. That has been superceded by 'Horse' for me. The Mother Goose, the Oaks, The Haskell are all nice races but really didn't require any challenge for a horse of her caliber, I suspect the Woodward will be much of the same. We need to see her in a top notch quality field to see just how great she is, see how she handles adversity...ect..

The Travers wouldnt have proven much either. It was a slightly better field than the Haskell but not by a whole lot. Theres no reason to think she wouldnt have galloped yesterday too. I am glad she waited for the Woodward. At the very least its a new kind of win for her (against older males).