8/29 (SAR): Travers, King's Bishop, Ballerina, Ballston, Vic. Ride

pdrift1 · #1 08-29-2009, 04:54 PM

summer bird nice win. and looking good !!!!! well RA looks real good after this

King Glorious · #2 08-29-2009, 04:56 PM

I wonder how many people had posts typed out about how Kent was riding a horrible race when he was in front of Quality Road so early. About how he was moving to early, etc. He was a dominant winner. He's the champion 3yo colt.

Travis Stone · #3 08-29-2009, 04:59 PM

If there's a LA Downs God, he'll let Summer Bird come out of this race a-okay and come here and show our fans how good he is in the Super Derby.

King Glorious · #4 08-29-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If there's a LA Downs God, he'll let Summer Bird come out of this race a-okay and come here and show our fans how good he is in the Super Derby.

By the way, that was a good call on Hold Me Back. I couldn't give him a chance even now, knowing he just ran second.

I think he'd have to be at the Super Derby.

Cannon Shell · #5 08-29-2009, 05:02 PM

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If there's a LA Downs God, he'll let Summer Bird come out of this race a-okay and come here and show our fans how good he is in the Super Derby.

You would think that would be the logical next step.

So much for Kensai/Quality Road's championship hopes. Thank God.

Travis Stone · #6 08-29-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You would think that would be the logical next step.

We're a bit tight to the Travers, but by design because it's a quiet weekend and we've never really battled for Travers horses. Figures, we make the call and now this... but it's home for Dr. J and Tim Ice, so we'll see.

Cannon Shell · #7 08-29-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

We're a bit tight to the Travers, but by design because it's a quiet weekend and we've never really battled for Travers horses. Figures, we make the call and now this... but it's home for Dr. J and Tim Ice, so we'll see.

Yeah three weeks is close.

Sightseek · #8 08-29-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

We're a bit tight to the Travers, but by design because it's a quiet weekend and we've never really battled for Travers horses. Figures, we make the call and now this... but it's home for Dr. J and Tim Ice, so we'll see.

I don't think they are going to the BC so it might be a good reason to send him down there?

King Glorious · #9 08-29-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

We're a bit tight to the Travers, but by design because it's a quiet weekend and we've never really battled for Travers horses. Figures, we make the call and now this... but it's home for Dr. J and Tim Ice, so we'll see.

Thing is, it might be tight for the Super Derby but I don't think he has to be 100% to beat what will be there or maybe not even 90% and it would give him plenty of time to recover before the BC.

DaTruth · #10 08-29-2009, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

We're a bit tight to the Travers, but by design because it's a quiet weekend and we've never really battled for Travers horses. Figures, we make the call and now this... but it's home for Dr. J and Tim Ice, so we'll see.

I definitely hope he shows up in the Super Derby, but staying east for the JCGC might be the better option if his owners want to win an Eclipse. If he stubs his toes in the Super Derby against the likely short field, then his reputation will be definitely tarnished. Who knows, Vineyard Haven may win the the JCGC, finish second in the BC Classic, then win the Cigar Mile. Those two wins over older horses might be enough to convince voters in a year when the 3yos keep beating each other. If Summer Bird finished second or a close third behind older horses in his next start, it would basically wrap up an Eclipse, short of MTB winning the Goodwood and Clark or winning the Classic.

King Glorious · #11 08-29-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You would think that would be the logical next step.

So much for Kensai/Quality Road's championship hopes. Thank God.

Amen. I do think QR is a good horse. But he was not given a fair chance to do his best today. I could never believe the people that have been saying he's the best we've seen in awhile. I guess it depends on how awhile is defined because I don't think he was better than Big Brown last year or Curlin the year before or Bernardini the year before that or Afleet Alex the year before that or Smarty Jones the year before that.

Cannon Shell · #12 08-29-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Amen. I do think QR is a good horse. But he was not given a fair chance to do his best today. I could never believe the people that have been saying he's the best we've seen in awhile. I guess it depends on how awhile is defined because I don't think he was better than Big Brown last year or Curlin the year before or Bernardini the year before that or Afleet Alex the year before that or Smarty Jones the year before that.

That is what happens when owners pick races and trainers have to try to figure out how to get them there.

Cannon Shell · #13 08-29-2009, 05:08 PM

I'd take him in the Gold Cup against the opt 75 claimers that make up the older horse division.

Danzig · #14 08-29-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Amen. I do think QR is a good horse. But he was not given a fair chance to do his best today. I could never believe the people that have been saying he's the best we've seen in awhile. I guess it depends on how awhile is defined because I don't think he was better than Big Brown last year or Curlin the year before or Bernardini the year before that or Afleet Alex the year before that or Smarty Jones the year before that.

they were saying that because of his fla derby win over the superhyped dunkirk, and his very nice comeback effort at 6.5. that and the fact he's yet to lose to rachel, while the others have.

i'm not ready to give 'the other' bird the 3 yo championship, but he's definitely in the lead for it. repeats his old mans belmont/travers double-he's a very nice colt.
if he goes to the super derby, i'll have to make plans to go down.

Antitrust32 · #15 08-31-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Amen. I do think QR is a good horse. But he was not given a fair chance to do his best today. I could never believe the people that have been saying he's the best we've seen in awhile. I guess it depends on how awhile is defined because I don't think he was better than Big Brown last year or Curlin the year before or Bernardini the year before that or Afleet Alex the year before that or Smarty Jones the year before that.

The only one I heard saying he's the best we've seen in awhile is PG1985... so yeah.

Summer Bird ran a great race... he's a nice horse.

CSC · #16 08-29-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1

summer bird nice win. and looking good !!!!! well RA looks real good after this

He's showing some verstility also, he's not just a stone cold closer as some mistakeningly think he is, with blinkers it should be no surprise he has more early speed than most give him credit for. That brings me back to a point I have been trying to make over and over after his Belmont win, he COULD HAVE WON by more if Kent D wanted him closer. Some just don't want to see that and keep on insisting that MTB was the best horse in the Belmont but that is erroneous slanted type of thinking if you ask me.

Cannon Shell · #17 08-29-2009, 05:03 PM

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He's showing some verstility also, he's not just a stone cold closer as some mistakeningly think he is, with blinkers it should be no surprise he has more early speed than most give him credit for. That brings me back to a point I have been trying to make over and over after his Belmont win, he COULD HAVE WON by more if Kent D wanted him closer. Some just don't want to see that and keep on insisting that MTB was the best horse in the Belmont but that is erroneous slanted type of thinking if you ask me.

He won races with the worst non-bug rider in America, he basically had no rider for his first 5 races

CSC · #18 08-29-2009, 05:08 PM

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He won races with the worst non-bug rider in America, he basically had no rider for his first 5 races

Chris Rosier? In all credit to Kent I think he rode him well here, he knew he had the best horse and just made sure he no one snuck away on him and thus he made an early move, there were no confirmed closers in this field so once he made the lead in the stretch it was just a matter of him not standing up at the 1/16th pole.

Cannon Shell · #19 08-29-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Chris Rosario? In all credit to Kent I think he rode him well here, he knew he had the best horse and just made sure he no one snuck away on him and thus he made an early move, there were no confirmed closers in this field so once he made the lead in the stretch it was just a matter of him not standing up at the 1/16th pole.

Rosier. Kent rode him like he had the best horse, which he did.

jwkniska · #20 08-29-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pdrift1

summer bird nice win. and looking good !!!!! well RA looks real good after this

I agree. That makes her look even that much better.