Cash for Clunkers Success

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

What you want another 3 Billion? And 4% not 40% have been processed. But then again your math dictates you pay $120 instead of a $30 co-pay to keep your insurance from being increased. Lastly good for Hyundai they're laughing all the way back to Korea as are their Japanese neighbors. At least they should need less aid next year. Maybe we can recoup some then, but I won't hold my breath.

Too bad "American" companies don't make an efficient, well-made car people preferred. You said you bought "foreign", so you supported them yourself.

Those 3000 American Hyundai workers are probably laughing all the way back to the bank, off the unemployment lines, too.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Too bad "American" companies don't make an efficient, well-made car people preferred. You said you bought "foreign", so you supported them yourself.

Those 3000 American Hyundai workers are probably laughing all the way back to the bank, off the unemployment lines, too.

I bought one because of its warranty and reliability MPH 24 etc but I did it on my own w/o $3 f'n billion dollars and expenses for the snail paced Gov. workers or the $4,500 in my pocket. Smart people would have come to this like decision anyway and why this move (cash for clunkers) was like pushing a pawn in front of a king after your Queen was begot. That’s why the GM bail was the start of a bad gambler chasing a bridge jump.

OB now wants to expand Medicaid as part of the new step-by-step program? What about the 2/3 of the $$$$ you (talking to Riot) spoke about? We still haven't heard the sad stories of the poor guy who bought a car using the $4500 as a down payment and bought a vehicle for 20K that was 16K pre clunker money @ 25% interest and they'll somehow blame the dealers. Give it 200 days. Can't fix a clunker with parts or stupid with insurance. To try will nickle and dime and billion and trillion yourself to death.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I bought one because of its warranty and reliability MPH 24 etc but I did it on my own w/o $3 f'n billion dollars and expenses for the snail paced Gov. workers or the $4,500 in my pocket. Smart people would have come to this like decision anyway and why this move (cash for clunkers) was like pushing a pawn in front of a king after your Queen was begot. That’s why the GM bail was the start of a bad gambler chasing a bridge jump.

OB now wants to expand Medicaid as part of the new step-by-step program? What about the 2/3 of the $$$$ you (talking to Riot) spoke about? We still haven't heard the sad stories of the poor guy who bought a car using the $4500 as a down payment and bought a vehicle for 20K that was 16K pre clunker money @ 25% interest and they'll somehow blame the dealers. Give it 200 days. Can't fix a clunker with parts or stupid with insurance. To try will nickle and dime and billion and trillion yourself to death.

what?

chess? medicaid?

help me out here. what did you just say? in a nutshell please.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

what?

chess? medicaid?

help me out here. what did you just say? in a nutshell please.

sorry was kind of meant for Riot but in a nutshell for you. OB should be treated like a spoiled wife on a endless shopping binge, take his credit cards away and keep him away from the wallet now. Maybe he could do what a lot of other politicians have done and get himself a girlfriend. That seems to ease the urge of giving others money away a bit.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

sorry was kind of meant for Riot but in a nutshell for you. OB should be treated like a spoiled wife on a endless shopping binge, take his credit cards away and keep him away from the wallet now. Maybe he could do what a lot of other politicians have done and get himself a girlfriend. That seems to ease the urge of giving others money away a bit.

I don't much justification for this. He spent 3 billion on Clunkers (actually, he spent 1 billion, and Congress added another 2 billion), a program which has been greeted as an overwhelming success by the car industry, from top to bottom.

[Riot]

I am seriously clueless as to what you guys (Cannon, Dell, Zig) want done fiscally by any administration in power now. How about this:

No healthcare reform at all, no new programs at all.

Ignore the recession/depression, zero government interference.

That leaves us with the massive debt we were saddled with by Bush. How shall we pay for it? Income tax increases?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I am seriously clueless as to what you guys (Cannon, Dell, Zig) want done fiscally by any administration in power now. How about this:

No healthcare reform at all, no new programs at all.

Ignore the recession/depression, zero government interference.

That leaves us with the massive debt we were saddled with by Bush. How shall we pay for it? Income tax increases?

I believe we have stated what we want but you obviously havent comprehended any of it.

What you simply dont get is that the information that you quote is generally spoonfed without regard for reality. Healthcare reform isnt going to do anything positive for the economy and will almost assuredly become a huge, unsustainable govt disaster. The ironic part about the deficit is that even though Bush did a poor job with it, Obama is putting us so far further in debt that Bush will look like a miser soon. Spending money that one doesnt have isnt the answer to our problems either individually or as a country. Massive debt, huge govt, rising inflation...How is this going to end well?

The fact is that special interest groups rule the roost as usual and all of the things that you see as progress are absolutely the opposite. Obama is a anti-business, pro govt leftist. He is basically a cleaned up version of Hugo Chavez.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I am seriously clueless as to what you guys (Cannon, Dell, Zig) want done fiscally by any administration in power now. How about this:

No healthcare reform at all, no new programs at all.

Ignore the recession/depression, zero government interference.

That leaves us with the massive debt we were saddled with by Bush. How shall we pay for it? Income tax increases?

the federal govt needs to be completely restructured, and much of what they currently fund needs to be cut out. you don't ignore a recession or depression, nor do you take steps that many think will only end up making a bad situation worse. the endless high dollar spending needs to stop-continuing to cook the books and shift debt to the future only continues what caused these massive problems.
and it wasn't just bush that saddled us with this, it was the entire federal govt, which includes our esteemed members of congress. this problem was created by more than just that idiot-it's been created by a few hundred over a period of time. but the changes we were promised only meant change from R to D. the spending remains.

i think the feds should adopt a new motto---first, do no harm!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't much justification for this. He spent 3 billion on Clunkers (actually, he spent 1 billion, and Congress added another 2 billion), a program which has been greeted as an overwhelming success by the car industry, from top to bottom.

What else would the car industry say? The govt gave buyers $3 billion dollars to buy up unsold inventory. It is a success for buyers and sellers but doesnt do much more for the other 98% of the country that is financing this. As for the workers put back to work (union workers by the way), that will be nothing but a temporary reprieve since the autos that they are making are still no better or wanted than the old ones that they couldnt sell without a giveaway of massive proportions.

[Riot]

What else would the car industry say?

The alternative to success would be: "It didn't work and I am starving and had to lay off my salesmen, and the car factory didn't have to gear up and produce more cars, and laid off people were not hired back."

But that's not what happened.

The govt gave buyers $3 billion dollars to buy up unsold inventory. It is a success for buyers and sellers but doesnt do much more for the other 98% of the country that is financing this.

Yes, nobody was buying cars, causing disaster for the car industry, and this made people start buying cars again, and they bought out the inventory causing the auto mfrs. to have to start building more to prevent a car shortage. Yes, that is a success for the targeted industry.

As for the workers put back to work (union workers by the way), that will be nothing but a temporary reprieve since the autos that they are making are still no better or wanted than the old ones that they couldnt sell without a giveaway of massive proportions.

You've not noticed what cars the public chose to buy? And you've not noticed what cars the auto industry is dropping (the ones turned in, the ones that didn't sell), and the new different cars they are introducing?