Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > Main Forum > The Paddock
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-14-2009, 06:50 PM
pweizer's Avatar
pweizer pweizer is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leominster, MA
Posts: 1,599
Default

This was a great article but I think this thread has gone astray. Why does it have to be an either/or proposition. There have been plenty of years where you had good horses and competitive betting races. Isn't that what we should be after?

Paul
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-14-2009, 06:54 PM
SOREHOOF's Avatar
SOREHOOF SOREHOOF is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Peoples Republic of the United Socialist States of Chinese America
Posts: 1,501
Default

Every decent horse retires at 3 anymore, so we get a crappy Handicap Div. At least there are some pretty good 3yos still running this year. Maybe next year will be better!
__________________
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military."...William S. Burroughs
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-14-2009, 07:14 PM
SOREHOOF's Avatar
SOREHOOF SOREHOOF is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Peoples Republic of the United Socialist States of Chinese America
Posts: 1,501
Default

Everyone seems to love high prices at auction, but that is a pretty huge contributor to early retirement. Get them out of there quick before they lose at 4 or get hurt. Breeding is where the $$ money is and if they're not gelded or fillies they lose value even attempting a campaign at 4 or beyond. Seems Makthoum spent all the $$ at Sar. so I wouldn't call it a big resurgence just yet. We totally understand the dynamics of this. Purses can't rise enough to offset this, we need buyers who will only pay top $$ for offspring of a horse proven at age 4+, even with a few losses. If Curlin babies bring HUGE $$ we might see the beginnings of a new trend. Lets hope.
__________________
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military."...William S. Burroughs
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-14-2009, 07:15 PM
SOREHOOF's Avatar
SOREHOOF SOREHOOF is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Peoples Republic of the United Socialist States of Chinese America
Posts: 1,501
Default

I think good horses are winning these races.
__________________
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military."...William S. Burroughs
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-14-2009, 07:24 PM
RockHardTen1985 RockHardTen1985 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
I think good horses are winning these races.
Einstein won big races on synthetic and turf he's ok at best. Rail Trip might be good, but lets see one more. I doubt Bullsbay is good, Macho Again is a joke. Who exactly is good ? Gio Ponti is really good on turf. There are very few horses in training right now that can be considered really good. Rachel, Zenyatta, Quality Road are all really good and I guess one day they all might be called great. Fabolous Strike is a really good sprinter. Indian Blessing is good and a past champion but shes way off form. Gio Ponti is good. Who else is there?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-14-2009, 07:37 PM
SOREHOOF's Avatar
SOREHOOF SOREHOOF is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Peoples Republic of the United Socialist States of Chinese America
Posts: 1,501
Default

I think Bullsbay and Macho are both good. Don't know about Rail Trip. Quality Road still has something to prove. Capt. Candy Man Can is a good horse. Papa Clem, Munnings, if Musket Man comes back wee'll see. There are horses that could be O.K. Smooth Air is a joke. Can't believe he was the fav. There's less in Cali, so if the East Coast horses are bad that speaks volumes for the West Coast. Einstien beat them for crying out loud.
__________________
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military."...William S. Burroughs
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-14-2009, 07:38 PM
SOREHOOF's Avatar
SOREHOOF SOREHOOF is offline
Fairgrounds
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Peoples Republic of the United Socialist States of Chinese America
Posts: 1,501
Default

They really only have to be good enough to beat the horses who show up. And that is truly good enough. Give me full fields.
__________________
"After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to live in a society where the only people allowed guns are the police and the military."...William S. Burroughs
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-14-2009, 07:43 PM
RockHardTen1985 RockHardTen1985 is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 11,208
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
I think Bullsbay and Macho are both good. Don't know about Rail Trip. Quality Road still has something to prove. Capt. Candy Man Can is a good horse. Papa Clem, Munnings, if Musket Man comes back wee'll see. There are horses that could be O.K. Smooth Air is a joke. Can't believe he was the fav. There's less in Cali, so if the East Coast horses are bad that speaks volumes for the West Coast. Einstien beat them for crying out loud.

Ok I forgot Munnings, Munnings is really good.
Quality Road has something to prove, but Capt. Candy man is good? QR blew him away off the bench. QR is a freak and the most likely winner of The Travers. He is legit competition to Rachel, he might actually be her only competition on dirt.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-15-2009, 10:41 AM
brianwspencer's Avatar
brianwspencer brianwspencer is offline
Atlantic City Race Course
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 4,894
Default

Very nice work!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-15-2009, 11:03 AM
The Indomitable DrugS's Avatar
The Indomitable DrugS The Indomitable DrugS is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,007
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by brianwspencer
Very nice work!
Thank you Spence.

I'm assuming you meant to prop my typical stellar post and not Hockey's fine column.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-14-2009, 06:56 PM
Sightseek's Avatar
Sightseek Sightseek is offline
Flemington
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 11,024
Default

I'm going to play devil's advocate, and while the article is good...we are almost accepting the fact that bad horses are winning races like the Suburban and Whitney because the good horses are being retired after their 3year old year.

I've only been following this sport since 2004 and Peace Rules would be a National Hero right now, when back then long time fans were saying he wasn't all that good....
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:36 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.