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08-12-2009, 02:48 PM
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Appears Cash for Clunkers was 13 times more important than border security
In this administation's eyes. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/...l_guard_border
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08-12-2009, 02:54 PM
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08-12-2009, 03:00 PM
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08-12-2009, 03:44 PM
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08-12-2009, 08:00 PM
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08-13-2009, 07:24 AM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32398464/ns/politics/
Just how many consumers used the federal rebates to buy these larger, not-so-green vehicles is unclear. The Obama administration has declined so far to release detailed records of purchases under the program being compiled by the Transportation Department, listing every clunker deal requesting rebates. Buyers must have trade-ins that qualify for such deals — comparable vehicle types with at least 2 mpg less in fuel efficiency than the new purchase. And the new vehicle can't cost more than $45,000. Even a high-end 2009 BMW X3 crossover utility vehicle, priced at just under $40,000, counts as a gas saver eligible under the government program, with 19 mpg. "The Cash for Clunkers is definitely generating traffic for Cadillac and Hummer," Ledesma said. i think it's too soon to say that a program costing 3 billion is a success. i also think the mpg requirements should have been far more stringent than just 2 mpg earned.
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08-13-2009, 11:00 AM
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08-13-2009, 12:01 PM
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08-13-2009, 02:12 PM
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08-13-2009, 02:21 PM
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I think the program has both Progressive, and Conservative aspects to it. What most of you are doing is attacking the Conservative part of the bill (this makes the song "AMAZING" by Kanye West pop into my head.) There are 2 ways that the bill helps the country:
1) gas savings, and less pollution 2) helps get the automobile industry get going again If people can possibly get by with the 25-30 mpg type cars, then they will buy them. You will get 20-25% off the price of those. You're not gunna get that type of % off of these vehicles with 18-19 mpg. You will get a 10% savings. That's a big difference. There is a big incentive to buy the higher mpg cars, but this fact escapes many. If you're trading something very bad on gas mileage in, then yes, you can buy a low end Hummer that gets 18-19 mpg (and get the small 10% price break.) Somehow, if this wasn't allowed, I am pretty sure you'd be complaining that families (which need larger autos) can't take part in the program (anti-family.) I doubt it's the Dems that demanded for there to be a right to replace a 14 mpg ride with an 18 mpg one. Either way, everyone who uses this program is cutting down on the country's gas usage, and helping get the automobile industry back up running. A program like this (that gives everyone 2 ways to help the country) is one that will actually work. It has some level of freedom of choice involved, but it's matched by powerful incentives to buy higher mpg cars (if you possibly can do so.) If (on a really big gas guzzler you're trading in) you want to dilute your discount by turning it from 25% to only 10%, then I hardly think it's something to brag about.
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