The sad cost of war

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What's "anti-business" about wanting people to be able to afford, and to have, health care?

That "few trillion" is one trillion over 10 years. Less than 1% of our budget.



?? I haven't said that. I have said that FoxNews hasn't been accurately relaying what's in the various parts of the various bills making way through Committee, and that's certainly true. You have to know what the options are, before you can debate them.

Understand the issues and we can discuss them. If you cant understand the negative impact on small business (really small businesses, $500k/25 employees not $50 million dollar revenue small businesses) then there is no need to further discuss with you. Build a campfire and sing kumbaya.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Understand the issues and we can discuss them. If you cant understand the negative impact on small business (really small businesses, $500k/25 employees not $50 million dollar revenue small businesses) then there is no need to further discuss with you. Build a campfire and sing kumbaya.

and if that doesn't work click your heels together and say, "there's no place like home"

[Cannon Shell]

While this doesnt meet the standard set by Dala it does pose some interesting questions

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...are-estimates/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While this doesnt meet the standard set by Dala it does pose some interesting questions

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...are-estimates/

The National Journal reports that Mr. Obama told a Democratic congressman who suggested changes in the health care plan: "You're going to destroy my presidency." On Wednesday morning, the president tweeted: "Health Care Reform Opponents Playing Politics With Our Lives." Given this recent questionable behavior, it's hard to imagine that Mr. Obama didn't apply similar pressure on CBO. There is no plausible explanation for CBO's curious lowball estimates for the cost of government health care.


'you're going to'?! obama came up with this brilliant idea, and seemingly is just trying to shove it down our throats, regardless of the facts. he wants to be a hero, regardless of the costs. if anyone is destroying his presidency, it's him. he's just another politician-there won't be any change. just more of the same. spending, wasting, and growing the deficit...oh, but it's all for our own good, right?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While this doesnt meet the standard set by Dala it does pose some interesting questions

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...are-estimates/

While using quite a few incorrect assumptions.

Seriously: I think some of you guys need to contact Mitch McConnell, and demand that the government stop all socialist, taxpayer-funded healthcare, and work to immediately rescind Medicare and Medicaid. Leave the veterans alone.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

While using quite a few incorrect assumptions.

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Which would be?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Understand the issues and we can discuss them. If you cant understand the negative impact on small business (really small businesses, $500k/25 employees not $50 million dollar revenue small businesses) then there is no need to further discuss with you. Build a campfire and sing kumbaya.

If you can't understand that providing health care for the minority of Americans that are uninsured will help the economy - oh, yes, those big insurance companies, too, and hospitals, and thousands and thousands of "small business" doctors and health care providers (laboratories, radiology, pharmacy, etc) - aside from helping real live people, I can't help you.

If a certain provision passes (and it may not, and I assume this is what you are worried about) what it says is the only small businesses that would have to provide health care (if they do not now) would be those that have a payroll of over $250K/year. And, they can get very cheap health care for their employees if this passes, at far less than 8% of their payroll.

And additionally, having other, less expensive options - provider choices - available for purchasing healthcare only helps all small businessess by cutting their costs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you can't understand that providing health care for the minority of Americans that are uninsured will help the economy - oh, yes, those big insurance companies, too, and hospitals, and thousands and thousands of "small business" doctors and health care providers (laboratories, radiology, pharmacy, etc) - aside from helping real live people, I can't help you.

If a certain provision passes (and it may not, and I assume this is what you are worried about) what it says is the only small businesses that would have to provide health care (if they do not now) would be those that have a payroll of over $250K/year. And, they can get very cheap health care for their employees if this passes, at far less than 8% of their payroll.

And additionally, having other, less expensive options - provider choices - available for purchasing healthcare only helps all small businessess by cutting their costs.

This is fantasyland. And I hate to inform you but payrolls of $250k a year is about $4800 a week. That is hardly the type of business that can afford to provide healthcare or be hit with a penalty for not providing it. If your payroll is $250k a year for your businrss the chances of the owner of the business making more than $250k a year are almost zero. Remember that little lie about raisng taxes on incomes of 250k or less? I understand there are differences in the exact wording and classification but a tax on a mans business is a tax on the man. Not to mention the ridiclous notion that somehow healthcare for all will provide the economy a boost. That is total bs. The fact is that a bunch of sick people dying faster would lessen the drag that healthcare is on the economy. If that is what you mean, that the new healthcare program will be so poorly run that it will cause more seriously ill people to die quicker than maybe you are right about the economic factor. Otherwise you are simply reading the Obama talking points and taking them at face value and if there is anything that has been learned about this administration is that taking what they say at face value will probably come back to burn you when the reality sets in.