Beyer Questions???????

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

I don't have stacks of stats at my disposal as some here, but I always take Saratoga dirt beyers with abit of salt, it seems to me there have been some abnormally high beyers earned here that cause me to atleast be abit skeptical, I will cite one, sprinter Left Bank and his 121 in the Whitney, I know Commentator has earned close to 120, I'm sure I will be reminded of many more, coincidence or not it seems like some of the higher profile performances are given big numbers.

Left Bank's 121 Beyer was fairly cut and dry.

He ran a 121 in his prior start.

2nd place Street Cry ran a 119 in his prior start.

3rd place Lido Palace ran a 113 last time out


He ran 9 furlongs in a track record equaling 1:47 flat.

The only other 9 furlong dirt race of the day was won by Connie's Magic in 1:51.59

Connie's Magic, in victory, ran a mere 44 points less than the time for Left Bank's win.

Connie's Magic returned the following Wednesday to win by 5 lengths and pay $6.70 going nine furlongs. He did so despite breaking from the 11 hole and going 5 wide on both turns. His Beyer was a few points higher than what he got when he won the day he went 4.59 seconds slower than Left Bank for the distance.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Left Bank's 121 Beyer was fairly cut and dry.

He ran a 121 in his prior start.

2nd place Street Cry ran a 119 in his prior start.

3rd place Lido Palace ran a 113 last time out


He ran 9 furlongs in a track record equaling 1:47 flat.

The only other 9 furlong dirt race of the day was won by Connie's Magic in 1:51.59

Connie's Magic, in victory, ran a mere 44 points less than the time for Left Bank's win.

Connie's Magic returned the following Wednesday to win by 5 lengths and pay $6.70 going nine furlongs. He did so despite breaking from the 11 hole and going 5 wide on both turns. His Beyer was a few points higher than what he got when he won the day he went 4.59 seconds slower than Left Bank for the distance.

Did Macho Uno beyer 116 for 4th? If so that seemed somewhat high to me, regardless the Street Cry in the Whitney didn't resemble the one that won the Stephen Foster. That 119 was far more impressive than his second place to LB. It just seems to me the number was high, especially for a stretching out sprinter.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by CSC

Did Macho Uno beyer 116 for 4th? If so that seemed somewhat high to me, regardless the Street Cry in the Whitney didn't resemble the one that won the Stephen Foster. That 119 was far more impressive than his second place to LB. It just seems to me the number was high, especially for a stretching out sprinter.

Macho Uno showed no speed, was never involved, and steadily backed up against a weak field at 3/5 odds in his next start - which was at Arlington. He was toast.

He had run 5 straight Beyers between 110 and 116 coming into that race.

When a horse runs light years below their steady and consistant form ... it's typically a sign that something is wrong, not a sign that they're last race was overrated.

Sometimes horses will recover, sometimes they won't.

Skip Away ran 3 straight Beyers between 112 and 115 - and in his next start was 3rd beaten 7 lengths at 3/5 odds with a 92 Beyer. Isitingood and Spirtbound drilled him at Lone Star Park.

Even though that clearly wasn't the real Skip Away .. he bounced back to his old self... in fact better than his old self .. as if something holding him back a little was found and corrected.

Take a horse like Discreet Cat, who ran a series of 116 Beyer races as a 3yo. He goes to Dubai, gets sick, and is scratched from his prep.

In the World Cup, he shows no speed, breaks last, and finishes last by 23 behind some Turkey and Suadi Arabaian horses. People who don't understand racing think a performance like that is somehow a black mark against his previous races.

In his case, he was toast. They never could get him to do more than run like a high priced claimer after that.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Macho Uno showed no speed, was never involved, and steadily backed up against a weak field at 3/5 odds in his next start - which was at Arlington. He was toast.

He had run 5 straight Beyers between 110 and 116 coming into that race.

When a horse runs light years below their steady and consistant form ... it's typically a sign that something is wrong, not a sign that they're last race was overrated.

I always thought Macho Uno was overrated, of the 3 that came out of that BC Juvenile I thought Street Cry was the best horse, his problem was he had problems staying healthy. In the breeding shed he has been the most prolific and we certainly saw glimpes of just how talented he was in the DWC and The Foster. When it comes to Point Given there are always 2 differing views, the most glaring weakness on his record in my mind is he never faced any real competition, he was retired at the time to the ol suspensory injury or something like that, sounded a little dubious to me at the time.

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