Zenyetta vs Racheal

pointgivenpap · #1 08-05-2009, 07:38 PM

Wow, what a match up this would be. If Racheal goes to the Spa, will she get the mile and quarter distance? You gotta think she feel some pace pressure out front.

Danzig · #2 08-05-2009, 08:02 PM

head to head, rachel would win because of their running styles. as for the ten furlongs, i don't think she would have a proble. as for pace pressure, rachel is far from a need the lead type-altho she has won from up front, she most certainly has won from a stalking position more than once. zenyatta is one dimensional, whereas rachel is anything but. that said, zenyatta is a very nice mare, altho you have to wonder if she will ever pay the price for her come from behind style.

#3 08-05-2009, 08:05 PM

I really need to caption the two chickens photo so I don't have to go over the script again and again. I have a feeling these threads will send me to the brink of nerdy trail insanity in the next 3 months.

randallscott35 · #4 08-05-2009, 08:07 PM

Who is Racheal?

tector · #5 08-05-2009, 11:06 PM

You vs. spelling.

letswastemoney · #6 08-06-2009, 02:12 AM

Synthetic race with decent field....Zenyatta wins

Match race....Rachel wins

Dirt race with decent field......toss up

tector · #7 08-06-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Synthetic race with decent field....Zenyatta wins

Match race....Rachel wins

Dirt race with decent field......toss up

Agreed, although RA's recent stalking trips make me lean towards her on the dirt more now.

Zenyatta's figs are lower, but I don't trust poly figs. They may still be a work in progress.

Smooth Operator · #8 08-06-2009, 12:31 PM

Seems simple enough to me

Z's the undefeated, undisputed champ.

RA is the young challenger which has yet to face older competition.

If RA wants to be the champ, she needs to come out to the champ's house this fall and take on the undefeated champ in the BIGGEST event of the year.

Travis Stone · #9 08-06-2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Seems simple enough to me

Z's the undefeated, undisputed champ.

RA is the young challenger which has yet to face older competition.

If RA wants to be the champ, she needs to come out to the champ's house this fall and take on the undefeated champ in the BIGGEST event of the year.

How many wins does Rachel have this year? And Zenyatta?

the_fat_man · #10 08-06-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

How many wins does Rachel have this year? And Zenyatta?

That's much too simple.

Let's assume that Z wins the BC Classic, beating the BEST in THE WORLD. And RA is in her stall while this is happening (after having beaten up on the usual suspects in some race at BEL previously).

Hard to make a case for R as horse of the year, IMO.

CSC · #11 08-06-2009, 12:51 PM

Wouldn't RA be in a singular distinction if she can be equally as good on synth as she is on dirt? Isn't that worth an attempt in The BC? At times I think we make too much of this debate. A great horse, a truly great horse does not need excuses. I pointed out Secretariat's example of trying a new surface(turf) after the tc and beating older horses later that year on dirt. This is not ground breaking stuff we are talking about. Who knows maybe she can do it, Curlin tried it and ran his race, (in the same neighbourhood beyer boys) he just got beat, the surface did not beat him, a very good horse did. He ran exactly to his mediocre 2 races prior. This surface excuse is just a not too inconvenient truth if one asks me.

Travis Stone · #12 08-06-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

That's much too simple.

Let's assume that Z wins the BC Classic, beating the BEST in THE WORLD. And RA is in her stall while this is happening (after having beaten up on the usual suspects in some race at BEL previously).

Hard to make a case for R as horse of the year, IMO.

I was being extremely tongue in cheek with my response.

Z winning the BC Classic would be a huge possible game changer. It depends on what she does between now and then. Right now, she's a lot of lengths behind Rachel Alexandra, who has a few pretty big wins to her name while Zenyatta has just one.

The thing is... Zenyatta has had every chance to elevate herself without having to ship out of California. Hollywood Gold Cup, for example. I hope she does it in the Pacific Classic, because time is running out.

Travis Stone · #13 08-06-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Curlin tried it and ran his race, (in the same neighbourhood beyer boys) he just got beat, the surface did not beat him, a very good horse did. He ran exactly to his mediocre 2 races prior. This surface excuse is just a not too inconvenient truth if one asks me.

If Curlin ran his '07 BC Classic race in '08, it might have a different result. He definitely had lost a step.

CSC · #14 08-06-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If Curlin ran his '07 BC Classic race in '08, it might have a different result. He definitely had lost a step.

Yes! Finally someone who shares the surface didn't beat him side. Gracious amigo...

the_fat_man · #15 08-06-2009, 01:16 PM

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If Curlin ran his '07 BC Classic race in '08, it might have a different result. He definitely had lost a step.

Maybe he lost a step but even if the hadn't he wasn't winning with the setup he got. No horse was making one of the earlier moves in that race and holding on to the wire. While the connections came away with a distaste for POLY, for me, it exposed them as just being lazy and ignorant. They obviously didn't do any research into POLY as opposed to dirt setups and sacrificed the horse, expecting him to win with a dirt type run. No reason why, if he were reserved early and came with the last flow, he's not right there at the end. And now we need to pick it up yet again with RA. What's the problem? She has enough speed to be able sit the absolutely perfect DRAFTING TRIP. Just ask Goldikova. She'll be able to control the race. Suck Up and don't bid till midstretch. And they don't want to run her.

This is almost as bad as the horseplayers who refuse easy money by not playing POLY.

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 08-06-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

This is almost as bad as the horseplayers who refuse easy money by not playing POLY.

Easy money huh?

freddymo · #17 08-06-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Easy money huh?

Fatty is stuffed with Woodbine cash...Didn't ya know?

the_fat_man · #18 08-06-2009, 01:53 PM

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Fatty is stuffed with Woodbine cash...Didn't ya know?

Definitely the case after yesterday's 2nd. Two 6:1 shots returning $150.

You probably get better value at the SPaaaaaaaaaaaaaah though, right?

Smooth Operator · #19 08-06-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

If Curlin ran his '07 BC Classic race in '08, it might have a different result. He definitely had lost a step.

No way he ever could've run his '07 BCC race at last year's Cup.

He had to pass a 'roid test before that race..............

MaTH716 · #20 08-06-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

No way he ever could've run his '07 BCC race at last year's Cup.

He had to pass a 'roid test before that race..............

Yeah your right, poly never gets sloppy after a monsoon.