Travers Buzz: Quality Road a yes..

dalakhani · #1 08-05-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

Quality Road has proved his quality. Couldnt this be considered a6.5f work, preping for the Travers? If it was just a work, some would say it was perfect work 26 days out and now they would just work on his conditioning.

Okay, so call it a work. You want to bet a 3 year old that has never been 10f coming off an injury layoff of close to 5 months off of works?

This is no indictment of the horse's talent. I just don't see how he could be ready.

Cannon Shell · #2 08-05-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, so call it a work. You want to bet a 3 year old that has never been 10f coming off an injury layoff of close to 5 months off of works?

This is no indictment of the horse's talent. I just don't see how he could be ready.

This used to be the way almost all horses were prepped off of layoffs

dalakhani · #3 08-05-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This used to be the way almost all horses were prepped off of layoffs

Chuck, you are the trainer. What is your opinion on the horse being ready?

Cannon Shell · #4 08-05-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Chuck, you are the trainer. What is your opinion on the horse being ready?

There is no reason why he couldnt be ready. Pletcher rarely runs a short horse in any case. Obviously if the foot becomes an issue of any sort, that changes everything.

parsixfarms · #5 08-05-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, so call it a work. You want to bet a 3 year old that has never been 10f coming off an injury layoff of close to 5 months off of works?

This is no indictment of the horse's talent. I just don't see how he could be ready.

How is what Quality Road doing any different from the long line of fillies that used to prep for the Alabama in the Test (aside fom the fact that he'll get 26 days to recover instead of only nine)?

dalakhani · #6 08-05-2009, 10:11 AM

both of you guys just said "used to".

SniperSB23 · #7 08-05-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

both of you guys just said "used to".

So cause it worked on great horses in the past it can't work on horses today? I don't question whether Quality Road will be fit for 10 furlongs, I just question whether he is a 10 furlong horse to begin with.

For anyone that is looking forward to betting against Quality Road you should be really pissed at the Beyer people right now for using their handheld time instead of the official time to give him a 103 figure instead of a 119. Can you imagine how much more money he would have drawn coming off a 119?

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 08-05-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Can you imagine how much more money he would have drawn coming off a 119?

Stop it.

There is no way he would have ever got a 119 if they used the final time ... which was consistant with how every 6.5f race at last years meet was timed.

You really think that if they accepted the final time .. they still would have had two dead on the board 20K MCL'ers both running an 86 Beyer in the next race?

They have the 4th place finisher in that race jumping up 30 points and running a gigantic new top in career start number 7 while having trouble in multiple spots.

#9 08-05-2009, 10:25 AM

Quality road is a quality horse under the care of a quality trainer with the riding services of a quality jockey. There is no reason to believe this horse, who had a quality return to the races on Monday, will perform poorly in a quality race like the Travers on a quality track like Saratoga.

NTamm1215 · #10 08-05-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Quality road is a quality horse under the care of a quality trainer with the riding services of a quality jockey. There is no reason to believe this horse, who had a quality return to the races on Monday, will perform poorly in a quality race like the Travers on a quality track like Saratoga.

With quality weather?

NT

Handicappy · #11 08-05-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Quality road is a quality horse under the care of a quality trainer with the riding services of a quality jockey. There is no reason to believe this horse, who had a quality return to the races on Monday, will perform poorly in a quality race like the Travers on a quality track like Saratoga.

A quality comment Mr. Pants!

Cannon Shell · #12 08-05-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

both of you guys just said "used to".

Trainers stopped doing it because somewhere along the line horses werent allowed to lose and were supposed be ready to fire their best shot every time.

Round Pen · #13 08-05-2009, 11:45 AM

[quote=parsixfarms]How is what Quality Road doing any different from the long line of fillies that used to prep for the Alabama in the Test (aside fom the fact that he'll get 26 days to recover instead of only nine)?[/QUOTE

THat has Nothing to do with it now it might if all those fillies came off of a 4 month layoff in the test.

miraja2 · #14 08-05-2009, 11:59 AM

I don't know what to think of Quality Road at 10f. His Florida Derby performance was certainly impressive, but there really didn't seem to be any clues to me in that race one way or the other regarding how he would like the extra furlong. I never really like Elusive Quality's stretching out past 8.5, but memories of Smarty Jones and Raven's Pass make me wonder if I'm just flat out wrong about that. The dam is bred to run all day.
He's a tough one to figure, but he has enormous talent and I actually like the sprint/route angle off a layoff. If the race was 9f, I think he'd be really tough. At ten....I just don't know.

parsixfarms · #15 08-05-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen

THat has Nothing to do with it now it might if all those fillies came off of a 4 month layoff in the test.

You make it sound as if this horse was out of training for four months. In reality, it was closer to four weeks. He had 5-6 works heading into the Amsterdam. This horse has back distance foundation, having won the Florida Derby at 9F. Fitness should not be an issue.

Round Pen · #16 08-05-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

You make it sound as if this horse was out of training for four months. In reality, it was closer to four weeks. He had 5-6 works heading into the Amsterdam. This horse has back distance foundation, having won the Florida Derby at 9F. Fitness should not be an issue.

I still say fitness wll be an issue and I will make a strong stand against him at the the Windows. THe last 1/4 mile will be his undoing hey but if I am wrong I will be the first to say I was.

parsixfarms · #17 08-05-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Round Pen

I still say fitness wll be an issue and I will make a strong stand against him at the the Windows. THe last 1/4 mile will be his undoing hey but if I am wrong I will be the first to say I was.

I guess what I am trying to say that, while getting the distance may be a question (as a son of Elusive Quality), I don't think fitness will be the problem.

tector · #18 08-05-2009, 01:58 PM

Maybe we should the composition of the field and the likely pace scenario before drawing too many conclusions.

Sightseek · #19 08-05-2009, 01:58 PM

Bellamy Road nearly ran off with the Travers with over 3 months off..

dalakhani · #20 08-29-2009, 04:58 PM

Any thoughts?