The worst take down in history?

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

I think you got jobbed, but I dont count. Breath deep and let it goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Very difficult to do...The stewards stole $900 bucks from me...

[DaTruth]

After watching the replay, I had to look at the chart to see what the trouble was all about. Maybe the head on shot shows differently, but I don't think the second place horse was impeded one bit.

As another poster wrote, let it go. Certainly don't bet tomorrow, or you will likely make bets you otherwise wouldn't make to get your money back.

[dagolfer33]

I will admit, I benefited from this and there was some minor drifting in twice in the stretch. However I could not believe for one second they would take the 2 down. They have let way worse go without changing the order.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

If allowed to run in a straight path, the 9 would have won. I have no clue why you think another horse should be allowed to make that 9 have to keep moving in to avoid your horse. The 2 is not clear. This is not allowed. It's grounds for a d.q. This is not a hard call. Why should the connections of the 9 have to put up with that? Don't you see the bump that pushed him sideways? It's not only herding, but contact as well. You can not go as fast when running sideways as when running straight. Why should he be forced to stop running straight?(straight is the more effective way to cover ground.) Your only argument against a d.q. would be what caused your horse to be so wide (in the first place.) A third horse was coming out pretty badly, and Quinonez came out to avoid him(more than M. BAZE wanted to allow him to do.) I only watched the race because you were writing about it. I don't care one way or the other, but that's a foul. I don't know why people would think that's not a foul. It's too bad he fouled. It's one of many ways to lose. Baze will turn right around, and just try to get another horse to win. You, on the other hand, lose money. This is why the bettors are almost always more upset to lose than the jock. The jock has many more opportunities to try again. JOCKS can play again for free. You must pay to play again.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If allowed to run in a straight path, the 9 would have won. I have no clue why you think another horse should be allowed to make that 9 have to keep moving in to avoid your horse. The 2 is not clear. This is not allowed. It's grounds for a d.q. This is not a hard call. Why should the connections of the 9 have to put up with that? Don't you see the bump that pushed him sideways? It's not only herding, but contact as well. You can not go as fast when running sideways as when running straight. Why should he be forced to stop running straight?(straight is the more effective way to cover ground.) Your only argument against a d.q. would be what caused your horse to be so wide (in the first place.) A third horse was coming out pretty badly, and Quinonez came out to avoid him(more than M. BAZE wanted to allow him to do.) I only watched the race because you were writing about it. I don't care one way or the other, but that's a foul. I don't know why people would think that's not a foul. It's too bad he fouled.

Becuase if they ruled what happened between the 9 and the 2 a foul there could be a dq in every race. The 2 was initially forced wide. May have slightly bumped with the 9 at the top of the stretch, but the 9 came in toward the rail much of the way through the stretch on his own.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Becuase if they ruled what happened between the 9 and the 2 a foul there could be a dq in every race. The 2 was initially forced wide. May have slightly bumped with the 9 at the top of the stretch, but the 9 came in toward the rail much of the way through the stretch on his own.

At that point the 2 had the jump on the 9; the 2 was AHEAD of the 9. If he came in slightly, he was still ahead and thus had position. In other words, the 9 never was clear and was not entitled to be allowed to BUST through. It's like you forcing your way through with your car when someone ahead of you had changed lanes and beaten you to the path: can't happen, as he's AHEAD of you and he has the right of way. The 2 immediately straightened out then the 9 had the length of the stretch to go past him and DIDN'T.

The fact that the jock claimed tells it all. This is an AUTO toss anywhere else.
When they kept looking at it, I just knew they were going to take him down. Just another case of doing the right thing and getting ****ed.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Becuase if they ruled what happened between the 9 and the 2 a foul there could be a dq in every race. The 2 was initially forced wide. May have slightly bumped with the 9 at the top of the stretch, but the 9 came in toward the rail much of the way through the stretch on his own.

He came towards the rail, because your horse is forcing him to do so. No, they don't allow this in every race. No, he is not clear of the 9 when he keeps coming in. They don't want to take horses down(out here, it pretty much takes a case where they think the horse would of won if he wasn't fouled.) Fatboy thinks he was clear, but he was not. He was ahead of him, but he wasn't ahead of him enough to come in like that. See how the margin is diminishing late ? That's huge with these people. If you're fouled, you best be making up ground late, or they won't care if you're fouled. Quinonez did a good job of doing that.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If allowed to run in a straight path, the 9 would have won. I have no clue why you think another horse should be allowed to make that 9 have to keep moving in to avoid your horse. The 2 is not clear. This is not allowed. It's grounds for a d.q. This is not a hard call. Why should the connections of the 9 have to put up with that? Don't you see the bump that pushed him sideways? It's not only herding, but contact as well. You can not go as fast when running sideways as when running straight. Why should he be forced to stop running straight?(straight is the more effective way to cover ground.) Your only argument against a d.q. would be what caused your horse to be so wide (in the first place.) A third horse was coming out pretty badly, and Quinonez came out to avoid him(more than M. BAZE wanted to allow him to do.) I only watched the race because you were writing about it. I don't care one way or the other, but that's a foul. I don't know why people would think that's not a foul. It's too bad he fouled. It's one of many ways to lose. Baze will turn right around, and just try to get another horse to win. You, on the other hand, lose money. This is why the bettors are almost always more upset to lose than the jock. The jock has many more opportunities to try again. JOCKS can play again for free. You must pay to play again.

I agree with this post. All horses are entitled to a clear and unobstructed path.

The # 2 started in the 9 path and ended up in the 3 path. He won the race by a nose.

This DOES NOT happen in every race every day. In fact it's quite rare.

Had the #2 maintained a straight path none of this discussion would matter.

IMO the stewards made a tough but correct call.

[dagolfer33]

Apparently the steward did not check my XBet wagers to see that I had 10WP on the 9....if they would have, they certainly wouldnt have made that call.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Colonel Moldes(and or NAK) forced these two horses out badly. It's much easier to see on the head-on views of the turn. That's(more than anything else) why ya didn't get paid. Up to that point, you had more horse than the 9. After that (it hurt your horse a bit more than the 9,) Baze knew he might have lost his advantage (in run.) Had to be frustrating, and so he starts tapping right handed (to hold his advantage by herding and intimidation.) Gomez would of gotten away with this, but he'd also have done it smoother(and without the mid-stretch bump.)

[booner]

Watch Fandicapping on TVG tonight. Ken Rudolph is going to have a steward involved with this decision on his show.

I'm sure it will be a straightforward, hard core Q&A session......

[Left Bank]

Don't play SoCal tracks,end of story.This happens all the time out there.Another horse even LOOKS at another horse and he is taken down.New York would not have even looked at that.Ingrid Fermin and friends at work.Play a different track.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Don't play SoCal tracks,end of story.This happens all the time out there.Another horse even LOOKS at another horse and he is taken down.New York would not have even looked at that.Ingrid Fermin and friends at work.Play a different track.

Everything is out for me except the BC...i agree

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by booner

Watch Fandicapping on TVG tonight. Ken Rudolph is going to have a steward involved with this decision on his show.

I'm sure it will be a straightforward, hard core Q&A session......

If you were watching last night, you know the frustration for me and 58 Flat Matt was very high. He picked the 2 outright to win and then you had the Pick 4 Posses (4 nimrod California Girls) hit their Pick 4 when the 9 went up. I wanted to hurl.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

If you were watching last night, you know the frustration for me and 58 Flat Matt was very high. He picked the 2 outright to win and then you had the Pick 4 Posses (4 nimrod California Girls) hit their Pick 4 when the 9 went up. I wanted to hurl.

58 Matt is an individual that simply doesn't like for horses to be taken down. Same goes for Mr. B. Same goes for the majority of people that "cover" horse racing. What that brilliance results in is guys like Theriot thinking he can move laterally without even caring whether somebody might be there. You don't think so? What are the chances that Theriot saw the Delta Jackpot a few years ago? Pretty good, right? How much did they allow Gomez to do towards the end of that race? He and Borel destroyed another horse, and they let those two guys deadheat for the win. Pretty much nobody cared about that. A guy like Theriot grows up seeing that, and don't think it's not a big reason why Douglas' career is over. For anybody to think that the 2 horse should be allowed to do what he did last night? You're wrong. You're supporting cheating, and you're supporting dangerous riding. This was a foul. They will overlook it if the horse who fouls is drawing away impressively (or if Gomez committed the foul in question.) The 2 was not drawing away. He did not do that. The margin was decreasing. Therefore, he comes down.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

If you were watching last night, you know the frustration for me and 58 Flat Matt was very high. He picked the 2 outright to win and then you had the Pick 4 Posses (4 nimrod California Girls) hit their Pick 4 when the 9 went up. I wanted to hurl.

LOL...Weren't the 1st words out of that stupid blonde's mouth "I'm always right" ...I missed seeing the race live, but I saw this other mess going on. I don't know which is worse. TVG giving those 4 a mic, or TVG having these commercials for Doc Bottom' s "A" spray.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/484...bottoms-aspray

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I agree with this post. All horses are entitled to a clear and unobstructed path.

The # 2 started in the 9 path and ended up in the 3 path. He won the race by a nose.

This DOES NOT happen in every race every day. In fact it's quite rare.

Had the #2 maintained a straight path none of this discussion would matter.

IMO the stewards made a tough but correct call.

You might want to take a look at the following Vic:

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...hlight=chantal


and then come back with some similar BS to explain why THAT horse stayed up and the one yesterday came down. Convince me that yesterday's was much more serious, Vic.

You must not watch many headons, huh?

Oh, I'm sure I can come up with many more like that one (this just happened to be one I'd commented on).

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You might want to take a look at the following Vic:

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...hlight=chantal


and then come back with some similar BS to explain why THAT horse stayed up and the one yesterday came down. Convince me that yesterday's was much more serious, Vic.

You must not watch many headons, huh?

Oh, I'm sure I can come up with many more like that one (this just happened to be one I'd commented on).

I watch every head on every day.

Why is it BS if I have an opinion?

Why would you write such a post?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I watch every head on every day.

Why is it BS if I have an opinion?

Why would you write such a post?

Any coherent explanation why THAT horse wasn't taken down, Vic?

I mean, it's obvious it should've been. I realize you're EMBARRASSED that it wasn't and that the one yesterday was AND you're left trying to defend the actions of IDIOTS.

I understand, Vic.

It's cool.

I mean, if you were to run the headon of the 2 races for RETARDS, they'd be able to notice the difference. It's REALLY THAT BAD.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Any coherent explanation why THAT horse wasn't taken down, Vic?

I mean, it's obvious it should've been. I realize you're EMBARRASSED that it wasn't and that the one yesterday was AND you're left trying to defend the actions of IDIOTS.

I understand, Vic.

It's cool.

I mean, if you were to run the headon of the 2 races for RETARDS, they'd be able to notice the difference. It's REALLY THAT BAD.

I'm not defending anyone. I have an opinion about yesterdays DQ. Don't have time to re-visit the past one. I'm sure I posted my opinion at the time.