Henry Gates Jr. some simple rules to follow

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

A very fine line here when you use uncooperative and beligerant in the same sentence in this context.

If a cop shows up in my home uninvited and starts to agressively interogate me in my home for little probable cause then I have every right to remain silent to his inquires, if that's belligerent then I would be guilty of such.

No citizen is under any obligation to answer any policeman's questions. He has the choice to have the conversation at the station house in the presence of an officer of the court or his/her lawyer. It certainly would look far different if this conversation took place in a dark bank at 300 AM but in my house without an invitation the police need to show probable cause for entry, especially without a warrant. I have yet to read or hear a solid argument for why the police were really there.

None of us were actually there so certainly we are all choosing to interpret what we think went on with our own biases but if our homes offer no refuge from unnecessary persecution what country has this become?

from what i read, gates had a difficult time getting in his front door, and i guess was forcing it open...apparently someone thought he was breaking in his own house. perhaps the profiling in this case was done by whomever called the cops?[/QUOTE]

the 911 caller said it looked as though someone was breaking into the house , the caller did not say black or white to the 911 dispatcher

[SuffolkGirl]

Originally Posted by gales0678

from what i read, gates had a difficult time getting in his front door, and i guess was forcing it open...apparently someone thought he was breaking in his own house. perhaps the profiling in this case was done by whomever called the cops?[/QUOTE]

the 911 caller said it looked as though someone was breaking into the house , the caller did not say black or white to the 911 dispatcher

the 911 tape may be released today. The caller is not from the neighborhood (she is from Malden about 7 or 8 miles away) She happened to be walking down the street and saw 2 people, from the back, attempting to force open a door. She had no idea the race/ethnicity of the individuals at the door.

[randallscott35]

Yes the 911 tapes were released and the caller said NOTHING about the race of the individual...yet another strike against those in this thread who tried so hard to make this about race.

[Cannon Shell]

sanity from an unlikely source

http://stephena.com/?p=252

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes the 911 tapes were released and the caller said NOTHING about the race of the individual...yet another strike against those in this thread who tried so hard to make this about race.

Yeah, it's kind of funny that she's getting her name dragged through the mud when she was the only one that did the right thing in this situation. She saw someone breaking into a house and called the police. That's what she is supposed to do. It isn't her role to find out whether the person is breaking into their own house or someone else's, that is what the police are for. Then Gates decided to make it a race issue and escalate the situation which was totally wrong. Then the officer let the situation escalate and chose to arrest a person for disorderly conduct in their own home which was also wrong, he could have just taken the high road, apologized, and left. Then Obama called the officer stupid in a public interview which was also wrong. The only one who did the right thing in this situation was this woman.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

from what i read, gates had a difficult time getting in his front door, and i guess was forcing it open...apparently someone thought he was breaking in his own house. perhaps the profiling in this case was done by whomever called the cops?[/QUOTE]

the 911 caller said it looked as though someone was breaking into the house , the caller did not say black or white to the 911 dispatcher

ok, thanks. i just thought based on how things were handled that since the cops were called, then obviously it couldn't be profiling on their part. they didn't just stroll by and decide to pick on someone.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ok, thanks. i just thought based on how things were handled that since the cops were called, then obviously it couldn't be profiling on their part. they didn't just stroll by and decide to pick on someone.

the cops (including the black sargent at the scene) did their jobs plain and simple

the are other cases of profiling , this was not one of them

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/...de.in.arms.cnn

[dellinger63]

Unfortunately cops are in a no-win situation. They're damned for pulling cars over and stopping people for searches w/the racial profiling charge and damned if they don't by being blamed for a crime problem. The President should just admit he was the most 'stupid' in this particular case and call off the beer date. The cop will remain a cop, the professor will still not like 'whitey' and life will go on with total focus on taxing everything especially air.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Unfortunately cops are in a no-win situation. They're damned for pulling cars over and stopping people for searches w/the racial profiling charge and damned if they don't by being blamed for a crime problem. The President should just admit he was the most 'stupid' in this particular case and call off the beer date. The cop will remain a cop, the professor will still not like 'whitey' and life will go on with total focus on taxing everything especially air.

as they should be. Its 100% wrong to pull someone over or search them because they are black. Its one thing if they see someone doing something wrong.. but just being black is not a crime last time i checked.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

as they should be. Its 100% wrong to pull someone over or search them because they are black. Its one thing if they see someone doing something wrong.. but just being black is not a crime last time i checked.

Believe it or not in some neighborhoods in Chicago especially at night you would be pulled over for being white. When a kid is walking down the street in 90 degree weather wearing a hooded sweatshirt with a baseball hat sideways maybe he gets searched because what he is wearing not becuase of what color he is? Of course much easier to blame the cop for beng racist than suspicious the kid is concealing a gun and is on his way to 'do up' someone.