Cap and Trade vote on Friday

[Antitrust32]

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

He isn't brilliant that's for sure. People are catching on, some just have to be hit over the head repeatedly before it sinks in.

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You supported bush...and we are supposed to respect your ability to judge intelligence in a president?

Somehow, this all makes sense.

What are your thoughts on Obama? He makes Bush spending look like pennies... and Bush was horrible in that department.

Honestly I think Obama has been very scary these past 6 months. He's trying to rush through policies that senators dont even read and that will drastically change this country and add government into places they shouldnt be. His push for health care reform before the august recess is extremely frightening... even the congress dems are frightened.

He's turing in to Mr. Pelosi.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

What are your thoughts on Obama? He makes Bush spending look like pennies... and Bush was horrible in that department.

Honestly I think Obama has been very scary these past 6 months. He's trying to rush through policies that senators dont even read and that will drastically change this country and add government into places they shouldnt be. His push for health care reform before the august recess is extremely frightening... even the congress dems are frightened.

He's turing in to Mr. Pelosi.

well I thought I had made my position on Obama clear from all of my posts during the campaign and after, but let me clarify. He's a horrible and dangerous president, the worst ever. he knows nothing about what he is doing and to top it off it's clear he despises capitalism and most of the things about Americas history that most of us are proud of. After all he promised to radically change America, people took that statement the wrong way. They assumed he meant that he was proud of America and wanted to fix the things that were broken. In fact he was not proud of America and wants to change the principles it has always stood for in order to conform to his worldview.
you cannot distinguish between Obamas actions and a person who is hellbent on destroying our economy. to me the jury is still out on whether this is due to ineptitude or by design.
To top things off he surrounds himself with Chicago thugs and thinks he's above the law because after all he's the messiah.

on the bright side, since he has been so arrogant and made so many mistakes so fast and overplayed his hand so quickly, he'll be a one term president and for the second half of his first term he'll have a Republican house to keep him in check.

A politician is nothing more than a public servant with extraordinary bulls.hitting skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg3SIUEUt30

The fact of the matter is that there are some kids who are better off not having a father around.

Quick! Get a mirror for the President!!!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

well I thought I had made my position on Obama clear from all of my posts during the campaign and after, but let me clarify. He's a horrible and dangerous president, the worst ever. he knows nothing about what he is doing and to top it off it's clear he despises capitalism and most of the things about Americas history that most of us are proud of. After all he promised to radically change America, people took that statement the wrong way. They assumed he meant that he was proud of America and wanted to fix the things that were broken. In fact he was not proud of America and wants to change the principles it has always stood for in order to conform to his worldview.
you cannot distinguish between Obamas actions and a person who is hellbent on destroying our economy. to me the jury is still out on whether this is due to ineptitude or by design.
To top things off he surrounds himself with Chicago thugs and thinks he's above the law because after all he's the messiah.

on the bright side, since he has been so arrogant and made so many mistakes so fast and overplayed his hand so quickly, he'll be a one term president and for the second half of his first term he'll have a Republican house to keep him in check.

I thought I had quoted Dala sorry.. the quote thing on here gets messed up from time to tim.

How bout u Dala?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I thought I had quoted Dala sorry.. the quote thing on here gets messed up from time to tim.

How bout u Dala?

Fair question. Some of the spending he really has no choice on and neither did Bush in the latter stages. I never criticized Bush for his spending in the latter months...only the stuff for the first seven years while he sat on his hands and let the credit crunch ferment. Obama has to attack our economic issues and the great depression showed that hoarding money and balancing the budget is NOT the thing to do during a deep recession. Credit freezes require liquidity and the govenment needs to provide said liquidity when the market can't unlock on its own. All of these wanna be "true capitalists" were crying to mama fed not too long ago. True capitalism relies on markets to "take care of themselves" and this last crisis proved once again that that cant happen. I am a capitalist to the core but I do appreciate the need for regulation and at times assistance from the federal government.

Now is tackling health care the best idea for the times? I think that he is biting off more than he can chew right now and i think regardless of the future impact of rising health care costs (i agree it is a serious concern) now is not the time. Our sole focus should be on stablizing the economy and defending the country and i dont think debt should be a concern in dealing with either right now.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Fair question. Some of the spending he really has no choice on and neither did Bush in the latter stages. I never criticized Bush for his spending in the latter months...only the stuff for the first seven years while he sat on his hands and let the credit crunch ferment. Obama has to attack our economic issues and the great depression showed that hoarding money and balancing the budget is NOT the thing to do during a deep recession. Credit freezes require liquidity and the govenment needs to provide said liquidity when the market can't unlock on its own. All of these wanna be "true capitalists" were crying to mama fed not too long ago. True capitalism relies on markets to "take care of themselves" and this last crisis proved once again that that cant happen. I am a capitalist to the core but I do appreciate the need for regulation and at times assistance from the federal government.

Now is tackling health care the best idea for the times? I think that he is biting off more than he can chew right now and i think regardless of the future impact of rising health care costs (i agree it is a serious concern) now is not the time. Our sole focus should be on stablizing the economy and defending the country and i dont think debt should be a concern in dealing with either right now.

thanks for the honest answer. I think health care needs to be reformed. I dont think a public option plan is the best way, but hey, the costs are absolutely ridiculous and insurance companies are the bad guys along with the malpractice lawyers IMO. What really really really bothers me is Obama's deadlines on this. Time and time again he talks about this august deadline and how people who dont agree with this are only doing it for political reasons. If our dumbass congress is going to reform our entire health care system... it should be debated on and talked about for as long as they need... not forced into action before its ready. And its really a shame that we have to count on people (congress) who time and time again prove themselves to be useless and wrong and motivated by the wrong reasons.

I think Obama needs to sit on his hands for a minute and slow down the pace he's going at. Trying to do so much at once is a sure recipe for failure.

Also, the debt that he was going to cut in half.. may not be what you're concerned about now, but it may be the thing that haunts this country the most in the future.