Cap and Trade vote on Friday

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You may personally "like" Obama but based upon his agenda thus far it would be a stretch to say that there is much of anything that a card carrying member of the GOP that you proclaim to be would be in favor of.

Yes, I like Obama alot. Yes, alot of what he's doing is different from what I basically believe, but the state of the world and the country are different right now, too. It's quite a mess.

I have no desire to stand upon partisan ideology just for ideology's sake, and I absolutely support the basics of what is being done.

There's plenty of others, Senators and Congressmen, making complete fools of themselves in the name of partisan politics right now, placing partisan politics ahead of the welfare of the country. I won't vote for them again. Plenty of non-extreme, non-stupid GOP out there.

Yup. I'm GOP through and through. We just have to get the party back from the right-wing extremist nut jobs that have become so vocal these past 5-8 years.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I like Obama alot. Yes, alot of what he's doing is different from what I basically believe, but the state of the world and the country are different right now, too. It's quite a mess.

I have no desire to stand upon partisan ideology just for ideology's sake, and I absolutely support the basics of what is being done.
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Kind of like the feeling of free-falling with no parachute?

Hint the GOP's substance is ideology and conservative beliefs and for you to like and absolutely support what Obama is doing while those things he is doing differ from what you believe in, makes the point we need a third, fourth and maybe fifth party. Maybe the Gov. could finance that project? When pigs fly!!!!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Kind of like the feeling of free-falling with no parachute?

Hint the GOP's substance is ideology and conservative beliefs and for you to like and absolutely support what Obama is doing while those things he is doing differ from what you believe in, makes the point we need a third, fourth and maybe fifth party. Maybe the Gov. could finance that project? When pigs fly!!!!

please keep reminding people like riot they don't really belong.

you don't need them muddying things up.

i'm sure the demo's will take all the blue dogs, hispanics, conservative gays, and other libertarians that don't pass muster with your increasingly radicalized party.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

please keep reminding people like riot they don't really belong.

you don't need them muddying things up.

i'm sure the demo's will take all the blue dogs, hispanics, conservative gays, and other libertarians that don't pass muster with your increasingly radicalized party.

Those in the GOP that act like that are not the majority, they are the minority. They only got that voice in the past 6-8 years, too. The question is - will the majority of the party abandon, or re-take the party? No good leadership right now.

Edit: many of the most crazy are literally old, and dying off. However, Audra wasn't a vote of confidence in the future. But everyone that voted against her, was.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

please keep reminding people like riot they don't really belong..

Carter + Obama = Don't let the GOP door hit you in the a$$.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Carter + Obama = Don't let the GOP door hit you in the a$$.

Doing his part to go against the most base tenents of the GOP identity, and trying to represent the GOP as the party of hate and intolerance.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Doing his part to go against the most base tenents of the GOP identity, and trying to represent the GOP as the party of hate and intolerance.

and Carter and Obama are the poster children of the new GOP? Anything have to do with Israel, Inflation or Incompetence? The three I's!!! The new GOP.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

and Carter and Obama are the poster children of the new GOP? Anything have to do with Israel, Inflation or Incompetence? The three I's!!! The new GOP.

Huh?


I've been GOP since the 70's. The GOP that's in the eye of public perception today is what we used to keep in the closet, and let out only during conventions.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Carter + Obama = Don't let the GOP door hit you in the a$$.

and please keep thinking that all your super timely carter posts are really hitting the mark in 2009.

what? no lyndon johnson?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

and please keep thinking that all your super timely carter posts are really hitting the mark in 2009.

what? no lyndon johnson?

I didn't bring him up RIOT did

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I didn't bring him up RIOT did

Obama has a strong interest in, and understanding of, the myriad of complexities involving the various countries in the middle east. Tribal relations, power struggles, economics, historic, religious, etc. Carter had (and has) the same. Both "get it" - that it's an incredibly complicated, multi-layered area of the world.

Riot 2009

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I didn't bring him up RIOT did

Yeah, once, briefly, in passing And never within the contexts you have yammered on, and on, and on, and on about.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I didn't bring him up RIOT did

i get it now.

you're in love with riot.

sometimes i miss elementary school, too. sheri mann was my obsession. the little minx. it didn't matter how much i shoved her out of line or told her she had cootites, she still rejected me.

i hope you have better luck.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Hint the GOP's substance is ideology and conservative beliefs and for you to like and absolutely support what Obama is doing while those things he is doing differ from what you believe in, makes the point we need a third, fourth and maybe fifth party.

Only if one subscribes to extremely narrow and rigid viewpoints. That's far from the majority of Americans.

You should read the GOP platform points in detail. You may get a better idea of it's "substance".

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I like Obama alot. Yes, alot of what he's doing is different from what I basically believe, but the state of the world and the country are different right now, too. It's quite a mess.

I have no desire to stand upon partisan ideology just for ideology's sake, and I absolutely support the basics of what is being done.

There's plenty of others, Senators and Congressmen, making complete fools of themselves in the name of partisan politics right now, placing partisan politics ahead of the welfare of the country. I won't vote for them again. Plenty of non-extreme, non-stupid GOP out there.

Yup. I'm GOP through and through. We just have to get the party back from the right-wing extremist nut jobs that have become so vocal these past 5-8 years.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...588765812.html

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...588765812.html

And the Bio of this piece?...come on..

William McGurn is a Vice President at News Corporation who writes speeches for CEO Rupert Murdoch. Previously he served as Chief Speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

And the Bio of this piece?...come on..

William McGurn is a Vice President at News Corporation who writes speeches for CEO Rupert Murdoch. Previously he served as Chief Speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

Shoot the messenger....but what did he say that wasn't factual or true? It isn't easy to find political commentary that isnt going to be considered biased. The issue at the core of the piece is still there. Obama is not who he said he was. Bipartisan, LOL. He is the MOST partisan President perhaps ever.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Shoot the messenger....but what did he say that wasn't factual or true? It isn't easy to find political commentary that isnt going to be considered biased. The issue at the core of the piece is still there. Obama is not who he said he was. Bipartisan, LOL. He is the MOST partisan President perhaps ever.

I think partisan only applies when you don't agree with their agenda. And the same probably applies to me..I can't think of one thing that either Bush did and most of what Reagan did that was 'non-partisan". They may have had to advance Democratic bills because of the Senate and House majorities, but this country elected Democrats and that is what he is advancing.

And I'm not sure if this accurate, to be honest, but let me know if either Bush held over a Dem Cabinet member like Obama did a Republican...I'll You Tube Bush's "Reach Out" speech in case you guys forgot it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think partisan only applies when you don't agree with their agenda. And the same probably applies to me..I can't think of one thing that either Bush did and most of what Reagan did that was 'non-partisan". They may have had to advance Democratic bills because of the Senate and House majorities, but this country elected Democrats and that is what he is advancing.

And I'm not sure if this accurate, to be honest, but let me know if either Bush held over a Dem Cabinet member like Obama did a Republican...I'll You Tube Bush's "Reach Out" speech in case you guys forgot it.

If you had read the link your memory of the legislation that Bush got done that was bi partisan would have been refreshed. Biparisan means that it has support from both sides of the aisle, maybe not equal support but more than what has been advanced in 2009. The "Democrats were elected and they get to do whatever they want" argument is a far cry from what was promised to help get the Democrats elected.

Seriously are you going to use the token cabinet member as a show of bipartisan support? That's all you got? Yeah that transportation dept is a vital bipartisan office now. Of course he couldnt find anybody further left in picking his other posts like the fraud who is incharge of the Dept of Labor.

Hey when he has to face a Congress without a majority after the 2010 elections we will see how friendly Obama gets with the other side.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you had read the link your memory of the legislation that Bush got done that was bi partisan would have been refreshed. Biparisan means that it has support from both sides of the aisle, maybe not equal support but more than what has been advanced in 2009. The "Democrats were elected and they get to do whatever they want" argument is a far cry from what was promised to help get the Democrats elected.

Seriously are you going to use the token cabinet member as a show of bipartisan support? That's all you got? Yeah that transportation dept is a vital bipartisan office now. Of course he couldnt find anybody further left in picking his other posts like the fraud who is incharge of the Dept of Labor.

Hey when he has to face a Congress without a majority after the 2010 elections we will see how friendly Obama gets with the other side.

democrats wanted to cooperate with bush after 9/11 for the good of the country.

republicans see obstruction as good for the party. screw the country.

the obvious conclusion is that democrats are too partisan.

best of luck with your republican majority in 2010.