Sheets v. Thorograph v. "the Xtras"

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

www.thorograph.com
www.equiform.com
www.thesheets.com

Triple thanks!

[smuthg]

I appreciate all of your insight. From this end, I don't think the T-G materials are worth much... I have had decent luck with "the Xtras" (despite not asking for a picture) and read Len Ragozin's book once a year whether I need to or not (a must read, if you can find it). I find the pace numbers very helpful on the Xtras and have a continuing appreciation for what "the Lens" do (that being said got killed on In The Gold at the B/C last year on their advice). I realize you are all very good handicappers, but take Mr. Byk's advice and read Betting Thoroughbreds by Steve Davidowitz's book; absolutely great...

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by smuthg

I appreciate all of your insight. From this end, I don't think the T-G materials are worth much......

Well, today the T-G materials helped me lay out the key horses for winning plays in all 6 of the races at BEL that I capped...

Three 'straight' exactas.. and 2 more box exactas..

Two tri keys.. Two tri boxes..

One 'straight' tri..

And the 17-1 "Longshot Alert" winner in the one race where I missed the exotic candidates..

Bottom line is that any and all of the premium products are "worth something" if the info is applied in a manner where if the horses run for you, you score...

And yes, Davidowitz' book continues to be the best single tome for advancing knowledge and formulating a successful personal wagering approach.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by smuthg

I appreciate all of your insight. From this end, I don't think the T-G materials are worth much... I have had decent luck with "the Xtras" (despite not asking for a picture) and read Len Ragozin's book once a year whether I need to or not (a must read, if you can find it). I find the pace numbers very helpful on the Xtras and have a continuing appreciation for what "the Lens" do (that being said got killed on In The Gold at the B/C last year on their advice). I realize you are all very good handicappers, but take Mr. Byk's advice and read Betting Thoroughbreds by Steve Davidowitz's book; absolutely great...

Well then, I don't understand your initial post when you started this thread:

Originally Posted by smuthg

My friend loves the Sheets, heard good things about Thorograph and seems the Xtras seem to be a newer version of the other two... My question is does anyone have a preference or any recommendations on which ones might be better for certain meets, surfaces, distances, etc?

Did you gain all that knowledge in between 9/12, when you first posted, and 9/13, when you suddenly had opinions on all 3?

Something's screwy.

--Dunbar

[Round Pen]

Dunbar I must admit that post made me Chuckle.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by smuthg

I appreciate all of your insight. From this end, I don't think the T-G materials are worth much... I have had decent luck with "the Xtras" (despite not asking for a picture) and read Len Ragozin's book once a year whether I need to or not (a must read, if you can find it). I find the pace numbers very helpful on the Xtras and have a continuing appreciation for what "the Lens" do (that being said got killed on In The Gold at the B/C last year on their advice). I realize you are all very good handicappers, but take Mr. Byk's advice and read Betting Thoroughbreds by Steve Davidowitz's book; absolutely great...

I honestly thought Len's book was the worst of the 20 or so handicapping books I've read in the last several years. Absolutely no insight into his figure methodology, ala Beyer's "Picking Winners." Basically a 200 page commercial for Sheets, his massive ego, and a bio of his life as a Socialist.