Injury Ends career of Pioneerof the Nile

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

And here I was thinking Pioneerof the Nile's career ended because he stunk. Learn a new thing every day.

I was actually thinking that winning 4 graded stakes races in a row, running 2nd in the Ky Derby, and making $1.7 million makes him a pretty good horse. But now that you have informed me that he stunk, I guess I learned something new today.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He sure showed Chocolate Candy who was boss.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He sure showed Chocolate Candy who was boss.

Barbaro sure showed Sharp Humor who was boss in the Florida Derby, beating him by a neck.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not comparing POTN to Barbaro. Barbaro would have crushed POTN. But my point is that good horses don't win every race really impressively and by big margins.

Zenyatta has even thrown in some relative clunkers. Her race in the Vanity last year, where she was all out to beat Tough Tiz's Sis, wasn't exactly an impressive performance.

I was pretty much with you guys early on when it came to POTN. I thought the Hollywood Futurity was one of the weakest Hollywood Futurities that we've ever had. I certainly wasn't a believer in POTN after that race. But after he won his next three races and then ran 2nd in the KY Derby, I finally had to say, "Hey, this horse is alright." He may not be a star, but he's a solid horse that fires practically every time. Not only that, he's run well on every surface.

I think POTN turned out to be a much better horse than any of us on here thought he was after the Hollywood Futurity. I'm not ashamed to admit that the horse turned out to be better than I thought he was.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm not ashamed to admit that the horse turned out to be better than I thought he was.

Yeah, but POTN is small potatos compared to Munnings.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You'd be surprised at some of the horses that sell really well who don't look like they can run a lick. There was a Speighstown colt at Fasig Tipton Calder that sold for around $1.7 million. I didn't like the horse at all. I wouldn't have paid $100,000 for that horse.

Barbaro, while sharply improving, was vastly overrated as a dirt horse anyway. He had narrow wins over Great Point and Sharp Humor .. and he hammered Bluegrass Cat and Steppenwolfer with a sweet stalking trip. I was more impressed with Barbaro the turf horse.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah, but POTN is small potatos compared to Munnings.



Barbaro was vastly overrated as a dirt horse anyway. He had narrow wins over Great Point and Sharp Humor .. and he hammered Bluegrass Cat and Steppenwolfer with a sweet stalking trip. I was more impressed with Barbaro the turf horse.

I admit I was totally wrong about Munnings. But I wouldn't say that POTN is small potatos compared to Munnings. I think POTN has accomplished much more than Munnings at this point.

There was another Speighstown at Ft Calder that I liked much better than Munnings. His name was Reynaldothewizard. I would have bet you anything that Reynaldo would make more money than Munnings. Reynaldo won first time out but hasn't done much since. He ran 3rd in a Grade II at Saratoga but that was about it. I was totally wrong.

With regards to Barbaro, I would agree with you that most of his dirt races were not overly impressive up until the Derby. But in the Derby, he ran huge.

[Bobby Fischer]

speightstown is the biggest fabricated overpriced stallion out there. Unless he really changes his tune, hes good for nothing but the occasional precocious speed, and will rarely produce classic distance runners.

Munnings does look good at the moment. He's on my vulcher list but he looks good right now.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

speightstown is the biggest fabricated overpriced stallion out there. Unless he really changes his tune, hes good for nothing but the occasional precocious speed, and will rarely produce classic distance runners.

Munnings does look good at the moment. He's on my vulcher list but he looks good right now.

You are right. Speighstown was a sprinter. I agree with you that most of his offspring will be sprinters. You might get a few that can stretch out to a mile but I don't think you will see too many that can go further than a mile. I think his offspring look alright in terms of ability. But most of our trainers that looked at them close up didn't think they looked like they would stay very sound.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

speightstown is the biggest fabricated overpriced stallion out there. Unless he really changes his tune, hes good for nothing but the occasional precocious speed, and will rarely produce classic distance runners.

Munnings does look good at the moment. He's on my vulcher list but he looks good right now.

I really don't no what to say here. If Speightstown was half the horse that he has emerged as a sire then we would have been blessed to see him race. Speightstown was a nice G1 colt.. Speightstown first crop have been amazing , I wish I had one, everybody wants one.. You guys are clueless if you dont realize that Speightstown is here to stay in a VERY BIG WAY