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Old 07-05-2009, 05:03 PM
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I'd get an email over to Eric Donovan.
hey!, hes a good guy
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Old 07-05-2009, 05:24 PM
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I took your silly ass off ignore to see what this was about. (This speaks to the quality of the posters here. )

I'm going to lay it out for you, as it appears that you, and many others, just don't want to get it. SCREW all the little things happening in the race: a horse 'appears' to not like where it is (doesn't like the inside, doesn't like being between, doesn't this, doesn't like that), all the little bumps, all the trivial shuffles backs, how the jock is pumping, etc.

These are, at best, ADVANCED techniques that should only come into play ONCE you have a grasp as to the setup of the race. Now, this is NOT what your pace figures tell you (although some are), this is not your opinion of how fast the pace was, or any other such preconceived BIAS as to how a given horse ran or was supposed to run. 99.99% of the time the HORSES will 'tell' you what the setup was. After all, they're the ones running the race. Once you have this down, then you can go back and look for trip things. But there won't be many, other than: where the horse was on the turn(s), what lead it was on at a given point in the race (not just at the finish), and whether it went with or without cover on the backstretch.

By not understanding (or considering) the setup, the tendency is to give much more importance to the trivialities (the 'little' things) mentioned above. The best trip handicapper is not better than the handicapper who understands setups. A high level understanding of 'intuitive pace' trumps just about anything.

That's it, Fischer.

P.S. If you can't spot a premature move at this point in your career (and I'm not referring to the race you mentioned), you better just give it up and join the countless others in the same boat.

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Old 07-05-2009, 05:38 PM
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appreciate the reply
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Old 07-05-2009, 05:40 PM
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I took your silly ass off ignore to see what this was about. (This speaks to the quality of the posters here. )

I'm going to lay it out for you, as it appears that you, and many others, just don't want to get it. SCREW all the little things happening in the race: a horse 'appears' to not like where it is (doesn't like the inside, doesn't like being between, doesn't this, doesn't like that), all the little bumps, all the trivial shuffles backs, how the jock is pumping, etc.

These are, at best, ADVANCED techniques that should only come into play ONCE you have a grasp as to the setup of the race. Now, this is NOT what your pace figures tell you (although some are), this is not your opinion of how fast the pace was, or any other such preconceived BIAS as to how a given horse ran or was supposed to run. 99.99% of the time the HORSES will 'tell' you what the setup was. After all, they're the ones running the race. Once you have this down, then you can go back and look for trip things. But there won't be many, other than: where the horse was on the turn(s), what lead it was on at a given point in the race (not just at the finish), and whether it went with or without cover on the backstretch.

By not understanding (or considering) the setup, the tendency is to give much more importance to the trivialities (the 'little' things) mentioned above. The best trip handicapper is not better than the handicapper who understands setups. A high level understanding of 'intuitive pace' trumps just about anything.

That's it, Fischer.

P.S. If you can't spot a premature move at this point in your career (and I'm not referring to the race you mentioned), you better just give it up and join the countless others in the same boat.

Take me off ignore.

I dare you...............
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Old 07-05-2009, 05:48 PM
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Ahhhhh

The CLUELESS WONDER is here. Too bad you're still sucking my IGGY and I won't get a chance to be exposed to your wisdom.

How's the Vic thing going, Douche? Was it traumatic for you?


Ha ha ha
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Old 07-05-2009, 05:56 PM
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Ahhhhh

The CLUELESS WONDER is here. Too bad you're still sucking my IGGY and I won't get a chance to be exposed to your wisdom.

How's the Vic thing going, Douche?
For someone who has me on ignore you sure do read a lot of my posts. You are such an easy mark.

Actually my comments about Vic went well. Better than I thought.

Any jocks to whine about today ? Perhaps another post about tracks not getting the all important Trakus ? It was raining down here in Fla today so I am sure you have some whining to do about the turf course at Calder.


Funny...all of your useless analysis must be leading you to the poor house. Usually guys going busted betting cry and whine all the time.

My condolences to your betting account.
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