Gotta Love VIC S

[the_fat_man]

If you think that Rosario did his best restraining this horse and that any other jock would've put in the same ride, I have no problem with that. My feeling is that Gomez or Bejarano or BJ Hernandez (among others) wins with this horse today.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

If you think that Rosario did his best restraining this horse and that any other jock would've put in the same ride, I have no problem with that. My feeling is that Gomez or Bejarano or BJ Hernandez (among others) wins with this horse today.

Others might have done a little better, he probably isn't the strongest rider in the world. I was just saying it isn't like he was urging him on. In any case, I don't think any rider was getting that horse home today.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Others might have done a little better, he probably isn't the strongest rider in the world. I was just saying it isn't like he was urging him on. In any case, I don't think any rider was getting that horse home today.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens. I have a hard time believing that if he gets a trip similar to the winner's that he's not there at the end.

This is an example of the kind of (all too frequent) **** that I can only explain by assuming that those involved are challenged. I have a race where a horse has sprint speed and another is stretching out (2nd lifetime start) from 6F, and the former is left to chase and bid at a horse that's cutting back from a route where it'd rated at the end of the pack (after a slow break) and the latter is able to fall into sitting a perfect trip. Ha ha ha

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

If you think that Rosario did his best restraining this horse and that any other jock would've put in the same ride, I have no problem with that. My feeling is that Gomez or Bejarano or BJ Hernandez (among others) wins with this horse today.

You're right. He sucks. Anything else?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

You're right. He sucks. Anything else?

Vic

don't be pissed. By the tone of your voice I know you were thinking exactly the same thing when he took off around the 1st turn.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Vic

don't be pissed. By the tone of your voice I know you were thinking exactly the same thing when he took off around the 1st turn.

I always enjoy it when people know what I was thinking during a call.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I always enjoy it when people know what I was thinking during a call.

Must've been a Freudian slip, then.

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I always enjoy it when people know what I was thinking during a call.

I also find it enjoyable when people on message boards think they can train racehorses !!

[Bobby Fischer]

It's hard to teach grown men athletes a new way to do things.
This type of thing wouldn't be that bad because it's mainly understanding that needless pace duels will hurt you, and making an adjustment. The hardest thing is the EGO issue.


Fats would be a good adviser to a team with a receptive jockey capable of applying strategy.

[Zaf]

Joel is a great young rider, cut the dude a little slack. Horses are not machines.

[Zaf]

Originally Posted by Zaf

Joel is a great young rider, cut the dude a little slack. Horses are not machines.

I am not against Joel.

[Bobby Fischer]

it's been in vogue lately to let a rank horse have all the freedom in the world rather than attempt to settle him...

maybe because it takes a lot more skill to settle him

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

it's been in vogue lately to let a rank horse have all the freedom in the world rather than attempt to settle him...

maybe because it takes a lot more skill to settle him

It has been in vogue because strangling a rank horse doesn't work either. It is up to the trainer to have the horse relaxed. A rider can try, but in the end, the horse is going to do what he wants. This isn't Gallop Racer.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It has been in vogue because strangling a rank horse doesn't work either. It is up to the trainer to have the horse relaxed. A rider can try, but in the end, the horse is going to do what he wants. This isn't Gallop Racer.

While I certainly agree that trainers really need to prepare their horses better, I think that you're locked on to a particular way of looking at things. You've accepted what you've been taught and have heard over the years.

Thus, 'the horse is going to do what he wants'. But this isn't really true as you've certainly seen countless cases where a jock has jerked a horse, significantly, to get out of trouble. How does that work when the same jock, in your opinion, can't rate a horse?

I've commented in the past on rides by Cornelio and Kent, for example, on the same horse. Kent is stronger than most and is able to rate a horse while other jocks, like Cornelio, wrestle with it. In this sense, Kent does some of the work you expect the trainer to do. As for jocks like Cornelio, check out his last two rides on Pinckney Hill and ask yourself "who's the jock and who is the horse?".

As for Fischer's comment, he actually has something. Watch how some of the better speed jocks, the Bazes, for example, rate horses: they do it by relaxing the reins. If the jock relaxes, the horse does as well. If a jock lacks the strength to properly restrain a horse, then it can never get it to relax, cause the jock can't relax.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

You're right. He sucks. Anything else?

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