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06-30-2009, 11:47 AM
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Which top 4 is a bigger laughingstock?
Last years BC Juv Fillies:
Stardom Bound Dream Empress Sky Diva Dave's Regenge OR Last years BC Juv: Midshipman Square Eddie Street Hero Terrain Stardom Bound is the only one of those 8 who has since won ... but she got a monumental positive trainer change going from Paasch to Frankel/Dutrow. And she also ran very slow everytime. Dream Empress has been utterly humiliated in her 3 races since .. her best Beyer only a 74 in those 3 races as she has staggered home badly beaten. Sky Diva was 3rd beaten 9.5 lengths at 1/5 odds next time out and hasn't run since. Dave's Revenge was 4th beaten just 3 lengths while making only her 2nd lifetime start in the Breeders Cup. A race so promising that her connections have refused to run her for the $25,000 N2L claiming tag she belongs in. She's been off the board in 7 straight races since the Breeders Cup - never once running a Beyer higher than 71. She's been in the low 60's lately. OK, so you have a horse who won a championship for the brutal Paasch - and became slow as hell for Frankel/Dutrow. And the other three horses are a combined 0-for-11 with a top Beyer of 74 since the Breeders Cup. And as for the Juvie... Midshipman is toast. Square Eddie was beaten at 3/5 in San Raffy - and 7/5 in the Lexington - he's now toast. Street Hero is toast. Terrain returned to run 5th by 12 lengths at Delta Downs next out - he never threatened in 5 in a row since the Breeders Cup and now he's dead. OK, so, you have toast, toast, toast, and a dead horse. Before anyone gets too down on the Juvenile though - the sensational Munnings did manage to beat a whopping two horses in the race! - one of them was an eventual Kentucky Derby winner who finished dead last Ah well, at least they can never take the great memories of those two stupid Euro horses beating Tiag-Slow in the Classic from us. 
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06-30-2009, 11:51 AM
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Oh god, hands down the Fillies.
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06-30-2009, 11:56 AM
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"And she also ran very slow everytime"
Why do you keep talking about figures of synthetic horses like it means something?
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06-30-2009, 12:00 PM
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06-30-2009, 12:00 PM
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Dream Empress wraps that one up for the fillies.
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06-30-2009, 12:01 PM
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I don't care if she got a 125 Beyer and a negative -7 on the sheets while she was getting drowned by Hooh Why in the Ashland... she was running slow.
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06-30-2009, 12:07 PM
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He's also a very likely future trainer of a DT Stables horse ... as he's portly and stuff.
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06-30-2009, 12:14 PM
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 "SLOW" is from the old paradigm. POLY requires a conceptual shift and a new vocabulary. P.S. AD HOC methodology changes do not quite equal a conceptual shift. Oh, and those not playing POLY on a regular basis really shouldn't be commenting on it, on a regular basis.
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06-30-2009, 12:24 PM
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You just seem to rely heavily on figures (Beyers I assume) for synthetic horses when in reality they are as valuable as turf figures. Your post is correct, these horses have bombed entirely other then SB's who won a couple grade 1's and placed in another.
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06-30-2009, 12:25 PM
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Let me take a stab at your post before I actually read it....
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06-30-2009, 12:27 PM
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06-30-2009, 12:30 PM
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Ah, no ... no I don't. And I just think this bit here with you acting like I'm lost on handicapping a synthetic track is really just a clever trick on your part to get me to remind everyone how my public selections have done at PID on it's synthetic the last two years. Sorry, I wasn't born yesterday. I won't do it. I'm not going to toot my own horn and spout off on my dazzling sustained profitability like some kind of self promoting back patter would do. Won't happen.
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06-30-2009, 12:31 PM
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I'd rather play the Pleasenton fair .... opening day is tomorrow by the way!
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06-30-2009, 12:36 PM
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My top 4 would be:
Morty PG1985 TenMostWanted1 JCS######
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06-30-2009, 12:41 PM
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Paasch has his moments. He seems like a real good horseman and from a distance, doesn't seem to be missing out on the "stuff" other guys are doing. Going to Frankel was actually a step down. Before everyone is up in arms, the key here is context and the fact that SB had a good thing going with Paasch. Similar to calling Rachel's a positive trainer change, except Paasch is more potent than Werner from my limited knowledge of Werner. Going to Dutrow always brings the chance of improving, so no debate there. Not trying to nitpick or be contrarian like some when they see a DrugS post lately. Just happen to think highly of Paasch.
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06-30-2009, 12:48 PM
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it should be noted that this Keeneland meet was speed BIASED(favoring forward position), especially compared to the typical way Keeneland has played since going poly.
the track was pretty quirky. I only mention this to avoid the misconception that Synthetic is bias-free(as insinuated heare and other threads), not to claim Stardom Bound had any sort of excuse, as i waited what seemed like ages for the ashland once the ill advised decision to run SB on poly was announced. Quote:
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06-30-2009, 01:11 PM
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06-30-2009, 01:21 PM
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06-30-2009, 01:36 PM
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Laura De Soreux to Lukas?
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