Which top 4 is a bigger laughingstock?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Similar to calling Rachel's a positive trainer change, except Paasch is more potent than Werner from my limited knowledge of Werner.

Wiggins. Not Werner.

[CSC]

A Trainer upgrade of going from worser to worse and the horse still managing to win a grade 1 would be who?

Clue - Female Trainer to Old Fart.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Laura De Soreux to Lukas?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Laura De Soreux to Lukas?

Yep, hard to believe Azeri had the career she had under those 2 and this is when Lukas was downright awful also.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Laura De Soreux to Lukas?

That was my guess except the worse part threw me off.

[CSC]

Yeah it might be the contrarian view but I actually thought Lukas improved her abit if we are to use beyers as the definitive gauge, but we just had that discussion...

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Originally Posted by CSC

Yeah it might be the contrarian view but I actually thought Lukas improved her abit if we are to use beyers as the definitive gauge, but we just had that discussion...

of course her Beyers went up once she started racing on the east coast

[blackthroatedwind]

Lukas gave Azeri a chance to show everyone, and I was a non-believer before he got her, just how good she really was.

Horses often show more in defeat than they do in victory. Lukas gave her a chance to lose. Compare it to testing in college, where the tests are designed so that nobody can get a perfect score, and the scores are graded on a curve. You learn little about a student's true capabilities when they get a perfect score. One person's 100 is not the same as another's per se.

If you put Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra together on the racetrack, especially in a situation that is reasonably fair for both, you will learn much more about them than we did this past Saturday. In all likelihood, both will emerge with their reputations furthered.

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Lukas gave Azeri a chance to show everyone, and I was a non-believer before he got her, just how good she really was.

Horses often show more in defeat than they do in victory. Lukas gave her a chance to lose. Compare it to testing in college, where the tests are designed so that nobody can get a perfect score, and the scores are graded on a curve. You learn little about a student's true capabilities when they get a perfect score. One person's 100 is not the same as another's per se.

If you put Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra together on the racetrack, especially in a situation that is reasonably fair for both, you will learn much more about them than we did this past Saturday. In all likelihood, both will emerge with their reputations furthered.

Good post, I hate when the best horses avoid each other, I mean shouldnt they have a championship day at the end of the year or something, the sport should think about doing that, fans would be happy as well.

of course Azeri proved she was good, when she got to NYRA of course

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Lukas gave Azeri a chance to show everyone, and I was a non-believer before he got her, just how good she really was.

Come on man ... that's bologna.

All Lukas did was put her in a couple of very silly spots... silly spots in which she did not run well. That and he was based in the East and LDS in the West.

She had that great 1:08 and change debut at 17/1 odds - and than she ran 15 straight triple digit Beyers before being removed from LDS.

I know she beat almost nothing ... but she came to the Apple Blossom twice for LDS and Arlington for the BC Distaff - and gave anything in the east a chance to meet her in between.

She gave those double digit weight swings away to a few ok horses and all as well.

It was painfully obvious how good Azeri was before Lukas got her ... and she was just about the same horse for him minus her bad effort in the Phipps.

My problem with Azeri is that she was overrated to the point of sheer annoyance by TVG when she raced in the West for De Soreux.

When Lukas put her in silly spots like the Met and Breeders Cup Classic ... you didn't so much notice that she had the speed of Ruffian, the class of Lady's Secret, and the heart of Personal Ensign ... did you?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Lukas gave Azeri a chance to show everyone, and I was a non-believer before he got her, just how good she really was.

Horses often show more in defeat than they do in victory. Lukas gave her a chance to lose. Compare it to testing in college, where the tests are designed so that nobody can get a perfect score, and the scores are graded on a curve. You learn little about a student's true capabilities when they get a perfect score. One person's 100 is not the same as another's per se.

If you put Zenyatta and Rachel Alexandra together on the racetrack, especially in a situation that is reasonably fair for both, you will learn much more about them than we did this past Saturday. In all likelihood, both will emerge with their reputations furthered.

Seattle Slew's losing effort to Exceller is a great illustration you don't always have to win in College as you say, to further a reputation. I always resented Azeri when she raced under Laura D, but gained a new respect for her under Lukas. I hope Zen's connections realize they may be doing more harm than good.

[johnny pinwheel]

the whole breeders cup was a joke. i think zenyatta is the only horse that won on the poly thats won since in this country, not including turf racing.. oh yeah , its there again this year.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

the whole breeders cup was a joke. i think zenyatta is the only horse that won on the poly thats won since in this country, not including turf racing.. oh yeah , its there again this year.

Stardom Bound

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Stardom Bound

yea, two grade 1's, its nothing