Rachel vs. Zenyatta: Which run the better race?

[the_fat_man]

What are you a dissenting nihilist?

This is a BEYER fueled forum. Whichever horse got the highest BEYER ran FASTER and thus BETTER. I'd say, from the NUMBERS, Zenyatta is just not FAST ENOUGH.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What are you a dissenting nihilist?

This is a BEYER fueled forum. Whichever horse got the highest BEYER ran FASTER and thus BETTER. I'd say, from the NUMBERS, Zenyatta is just not FAST ENOUGH.

Zenyatta by the beyers is actually a pretty slow horse in relation to her record.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What are you a dissenting nihilist?

This is a BEYER fueled forum. Whichever horse got the highest BEYER ran FASTER and thus BETTER. I'd say, from the NUMBERS, Zenyatta is just not FAST ENOUGH.

thats funny, you're good. apples and oranges. one beat two horses the other beat the "usuals" . the only way to know is a race. its chancy for RA. zenyatta has age, experience and stamina but the way belmont is playing, speed is king right now. plus, theres got to be more horses. its a joke and not even serious when a grade 1 gets 3. its still free money to finish behind her. they could not get at least 4?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

What are you a dissenting nihilist?

This is a BEYER fueled forum. Whichever horse got the highest BEYER ran FASTER and thus BETTER. I'd say, from the NUMBERS, Zenyatta is just not FAST ENOUGH.

Interesting number even after the new synth Beyers were instituted, where the top beyers are higher and the lower one's are adjusted more modestly. One must conclude The Beyer for Z was not too impressive if the number is correct otherwise there would be an even greater gap prior to the new synth beyers.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by CSC

Interesting number even after the new synth Beyers were instituted, where the top beyers are higher and the lower one's are adjusted more modestly. One must conclude The Beyer for Z was not too impressive if the number is correct otherwise there would be an even greater gap prior to the new synth beyers.

By the old (conventional?) speed charts, Zenyatta would have gotten about 100.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

By the old (conventional?) speed charts, Zenyatta would have gotten about 100.

Pace and competition are more factors than just simplifying handicapping to comparing speed figures, I'm glad someone noticed the original intention of my post. I know Rachel A is not 8-10 points a better horse than Zen is whether it's the new or old synth numbers. To me they are in the same ballpark and really it is race dynamics that will prove who is better on any given day.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by CSC

I know Rachel A is not 8-10 points a better horse than Zen is whether it's the new or old synth numbers

You know this? Zenyatta ran once on dirt with a favorable pace scenario and received a 104 Beyer as a 4 year old. Rachel has run 111, 108, 108 last three as a young 3 year old.