Cap and Trade vote on Friday

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

1. I understand this concern. I do not necessarily disagree. But Obama has economists that do. I just dont know enough. I am stating what I think our current administrations thinking is.

2. This is somewhere around the price that makes alternatives to gasoline cheaper. There is no doubt that passenger vehicles can run effectively off the new technology. Big transport will most likely always require some type of petroleum or hydrocarbon. Electricity will not provide enough power for all transport.

Coal:
Texas is by far the biggest wind producer in the country. It is more expensive right now, but it might let people in San Antonio continue to exercise outside. People just dont get the health concerns with bad air. Look at China. They dont live as long and their people are not as healthy now due to air. They become an economic power house and they also become unhealthy. We need nuclear power, sun and wind where applicable imo. More electric cars or mass transit would also help with the air problem of course.

Bad air is a personal issue for me. Europe has solved this problem a number of times over. We can also.

I think that air quality is but one issue facing the long term health of the Chinese people.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think that air quality is but one issue facing the long term health of the Chinese people.

Polluted water ways.
A beautiful example of what unrestricted industry causes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Polluted water ways.
A beautiful example of what unrestricted industry causes.

yeah and they arent going to change either.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah and they arent going to change either.

Yes they will.
They will be the example for us.
They are experimenting with their environmental health
right now.

They have already made a few coal powered
plants that emit much less CO2 than ours as well as particulate matter. Very expensive though. But they work better than anything we have. So maybe we can Japan them. Steal their ideas and make them less expensive.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes they will.
They will be the example for us.
They are experimenting with their environmental health
right now.

They have already made a few coal powered
plants that emit much less CO2 than ours as well as particulate matter. Very expensive though. But they work better than anything we have. So maybe we can Japan them. Steal their ideas and make them less expensive.

Jesus what world do you live in. China as an environmental example of what to do? oh boy.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Jesus what world do you live in. China as an environmental example of what to do? oh boy.

Of what NOT TO DO and then how to repair the damage.

Good Christ...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Of what NOT TO DO and then how to repair the damage.

Good Christ...

So the Chinese are polluting but the they repair the damage?

Originally Posted by pgardn

Yes they will.
They will be the example for us.
They are experimenting with their environmental health
right now.

They have already made a few coal powered
plants that emit much less CO2 than ours as well as particulate matter. Very expensive though. But they work better than anything we have. So maybe we can Japan them. Steal their ideas and make them less expensive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/bu...w.html?_r=1&hp