NBA Trades

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Today's trades in the nibba have everything to do with the luxury tax/salary cap. Lets look at each one:

Bucks get Oberto, bruce bowen and kurt thomas for Richard Jefferson. Spurs got a steal right? They sure did. Such is the benefit when you don't make bad contracts and your salary structure is correct. The bucks save 15 million dollars off the cap for 2010-11 and after they release two of the players they traded for they will be 11 million under the cap.

The wizards deal was a lot more disheartening...especially if you are a fan. We give up the number 5 pick (harden? thabeet? tyreke?) for Randy foye and mike miller? Okay, i get it that we get to shed a couple of awful contracts but couldnt we have gotten something a little better than foye and miller? This was a luxury tax move pure and simple.

The Bucks are doomed to forever suck. Jefferson makes the Spurs better. I dont think the Wizards trade was a salary dump considering that they are still over the lux tax. Not to mention that Harden doesnt fit on a team with Arenas and the other two are likely to be taken before 5 anyway.

pgardn is happy...


All involved for the Spurs will most likely retire.
Bucks release them, I dont think they try to play anywhere else.
Oberto bad heart. Bowen just old. Thomas same.
Hope they keep Bowen on staff after the Bucks release him.


Interesting stuff on the Wizards.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Bucks are doomed to forever suck. Jefferson makes the Spurs better. I dont think the Wizards trade was a salary dump considering that they are still over the lux tax. Not to mention that Harden doesnt fit on a team with Arenas and the other two are likely to be taken before 5 anyway.

The wizards are still over the tax but every dollar counts. They save the tax plus the salary they would have to pay on the pick (3m +3m). Beyond that, Miller's salary comes off the books this year and although Etan's contract would have anyway, they no longer have to pay songaila and pecherov which will save them about 7 million next year. The pick will about even out with Foye's contract. So over two years they save about 10 million in salary and at least another 3 million in luxury tax.

Foye and Miller certainly make them better but i would think they could have gotten much more for that 5th pick besides a very average 6 4 combo guard and what amounts to a good expiring contract that can hit an open jumper.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The wizards are still over the tax but every dollar counts. They save the tax plus the salary they would have to pay on the pick (3m +3m). Beyond that, Miller's salary comes off the books this year and although Etan's contract would have anyway, they no longer have to pay songaila and pecherov which will save them about 7 million next year. The pick will about even out with Foye's contract. So over two years they save about 10 million in salary and at least another 3 million in luxury tax.

Foye and Miller certainly make them better but i would think they could have gotten much more for that 5th pick besides a very average 6 4 combo guard and what amounts to a good expiring contract that can hit an open jumper.

As long as Gilbert is there to kill any team defense played, the Wizards will play a brand of NBA ball best described as HORSE.

[King Glorious]

Having cap space and being Milwaukee is like having $10 million in the bank and can't find your atm card or remember your account number. Nobody wants to go there. Washington isn't much more desireable.

The question is would you rather have Foye or maybe Harden? Foye is no star player but is a proven NBA capable scorer. I'd take a bird in the hand always.

The Spurs once again showed why they are one of the best run franchises in all of sports.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The question is would you rather have Foye or maybe Harden? Foye is no star player but is a proven NBA capable scorer. I'd take a bird in the hand always.
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Thats a good question. You would take a proven mediocrity for a player that could be any kind?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Thats a good question. You would take a proven mediocrity for a player that could be any kind?

I don't consider a guy that can get me 16 and four assists a night as mediocrity. There are maybe 20-25 guys in the league that score more. It's not a superstar by any means but I don't see it as mediocrity. If they were to take a guy like Harden or Evans or DeRozan, I don't see any of those guys being better. Potential can go either way. I'd rather take a guy that's proven over one that at best, shows the potential only to be slightly better. We see potentially great players every year that don't pan out. Recently, look at guys like Adam Morrison, JJ Redick, Corey Brewer, Brandon Wright, Jerryd Bayless, Martell Webster, Gerald Green, Eddie Griffin, Stromile Swift, Darius Miles...the list goes on and on. All of those guys were higher regarded than Harden, Evans, and De Rozan and none of them has become much of anything. When you are a team that's at or near the top and you aren't needing a guy to come in right away and produce, you can take a chance with getting one of these high potential guys over a proven NBA producer and wait for him to develop. When you are a team like the Wizards, you can't.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't consider a guy that can get me 16 and four assists a night as mediocrity. There are maybe 20-25 guys in the league that score more. It's not a superstar by any means but I don't see it as mediocrity. If they were to take a guy like Harden or Evans or DeRozan, I don't see any of those guys being better. Potential can go either way. I'd rather take a guy that's proven over one that at best, shows the potential only to be slightly better. We see potentially great players every year that don't pan out. Recently, look at guys like Adam Morrison, JJ Redick, Corey Brewer, Brandon Wright, Jerryd Bayless, Martell Webster, Gerald Green, Eddie Griffin, Stromile Swift, Darius Miles...the list goes on and on. All of those guys were higher regarded than Harden, Evans, and De Rozan and none of them has become much of anything. When you are a team that's at or near the top and you aren't needing a guy to come in right away and produce, you can take a chance with getting one of these high potential guys over a proven NBA producer and wait for him to develop. When you are a team like the Wizards, you can't.

I get your point although i dont know where JJ Redick was more highly regarded than any of those guys but the point stands.

It really comes down to what you think of Foye. If you think he was scoring 16 despite playing on a bad team, you make the trade. If you think it was because he was on a bad team, you don't.

For the wizards, I still don't see the sense. They now have about 8 guards under contract. Where do they find minutes for all these guys? If you are starting foye, it would appear that you have some serious defensive problems with him and arenas in the backcourt.

I think this trade is the pre cursor to another move. At least...i hope so.