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Old 09-11-2006, 08:26 PM
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Not sure how anyone could be considering Cotton Blossom for any real race after her abyssmal performance in the Spinaway.

I don't want to get into personal discussions I may have had with trainers, and obviously I'm pretty close to Nick, but who wouldn't at least be thinking BC. I will say that he has been high on this filly since well before her debut. I'm certainly rooting for her.
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:41 PM
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Not sure how anyone could be considering Cotton Blossom for any real race after her abyssmal performance in the Spinaway.

I don't want to get into personal discussions I may have had with trainers, and obviously I'm pretty close to Nick, but who wouldn't at least be thinking BC. I will say that he has been high on this filly since well before her debut. I'm certainly rooting for her.
Shes not bred to sprint...she'll be alright when she stretches out....check the pedigree....
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:43 PM
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Shes not bred to sprint...she'll be alright when she stretches out....check the pedigree....
Are you referring to Cotton Blossom?

I don't care what her breeding is...she's not much. Good luck to her down the road. I expect a mediocre third in the Tampa Bay Oaks if she lasts that long.
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:54 PM
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Are you referring to Cotton Blossom?

I don't care what her breeding is...she's not much. Good luck to her down the road. I expect a mediocre third in the Tampa Bay Oaks if she lasts that long.
We'll see...I suspect they'll go to KEE for the Alcibaides too to stretch her out and leave Octave for the Frizette....we'll see..

I do like Paint Raid some, but I thought that Cotton Blossom looked oike a route filly in the flesh and is bred to be a route filly, yet she won a graded stakes at the Spa around one turn - and did so with a wide trip....not horrible credentials in a down year to this point in that division....

I think Magical Ride is the best of her generation to this point, but you won't be able to van her around two turns....
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Old 09-11-2006, 09:10 PM
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We'll see...I suspect they'll go to KEE for the Alcibaides too to stretch her out and leave Octave for the Frizette....we'll see..

I do like Paint Raid some, but I thought that Cotton Blossom looked oike a route filly in the flesh and is bred to be a route filly, yet she won a graded stakes at the Spa around one turn - and did so with a wide trip....not horrible credentials in a down year to this point in that division....

I think Magical Ride is the best of her generation to this point, but you won't be able to van her around two turns....

Geez, Octave is even worse than Cotton Blossom. I certainly hope we see many better horses than those two plugs.
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Old 09-11-2006, 09:12 PM
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Geez, Octave is even worse than Cotton Blossom. I certainly hope we see many better horses than those two plugs.

Andy....if we could just get you to open up a touch and tell us how you really feel about a few horses....
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Old 09-11-2006, 09:14 PM
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Andy....if we could just get you to open up a touch and tell us how you really feel about a few horses....
You gotta take a stand in this game.
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Old 09-11-2006, 09:19 PM
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Geez, Octave is even worse than Cotton Blossom. I certainly hope we see many better horses than those two plugs.
They're Saratoga graded stakes winners.....not sure how much better a 2yo's credentials could get....

Octave's maiden win at CD was not horrible...not sure what happened next out but she did rebound.....I don't think she is a world beater, but she's okay...Unbr. Song out of Dr. Carter mare says sprinter/miler - so she probably has maximized her career...

The only reason I like Cotton Blossom is because she should stretch out with her pedigree and actually be better going two turns.....if you are a graded stakes winner at the Spa around one turn and are supposed to be better around two turns - you get a little benefit of the doubt from me....
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Old 09-11-2006, 09:25 PM
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I'm not a result oriented guy Joel. I don't care what names may be attached to races horses ran. The simple fact is that both races were slow. I gave credit to Cotton Blossom for circling the field, though the second finisher had a tougher trip, but after her mediocre Spinaway effort I decided she has a strong case of the " slows ".

As for Octave, and the Adirondack, did you watch the race and evaluate the race from a pace and trip perspective? The race had about as big a pace/final time fig disparity as a race can have. She saved ground and had a perfect trip in a VERY slow race. She is a BUM. If you want to tell me Cotton Blossom will improve stretching out I will grant you that possibility, though I doubt she will beat anybody in even a relatively quickly run race, but Octave is simply a slow horse.
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:45 PM
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Not sure how anyone could be considering Cotton Blossom for any real race after her abyssmal performance in the Spinaway.

I don't want to get into personal discussions I may have had with trainers, and obviously I'm pretty close to Nick, but who wouldn't at least be thinking BC. I will say that he has been high on this filly since well before her debut. I'm certainly rooting for her.
I know your a huge Commentator fan so I gotta ask you what the horse is doing and what he is pointing towards.....Did he exit the race okay? I know he stumbled coming out, but was that his only excuse as to why he backed up? I hope he is okay because i know he isn't the soundest little rascal....

I could see where he might have bled some because that happens alot when horses brake poor and incur high stress, especially if he slammed himself...

I hope he isn't one of those types of horses that has to have it his own way to be effective because I like the little horse...
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:52 PM
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I know your a huge Commentator fan so I gotta ask you what the horse is doing and what he is pointing towards.....Did he exit the race okay? I know he stumbled coming out, but was that his only excuse as to why he backed up? I hope he is okay because i know he isn't the soundest little rascal....

I could see where he might have bled some because that happens alot when horses brake poor and incur high stress, especially if he slammed himself...

I hope he isn't one of those types of horses that has to have it his own way to be effective because I like the little horse...
I have no idea though I guess he's OK. Honestly, though, I am loathe to repeat anything friends tell me at the racetrack. Never know if it's public or private.

I hope he is still pointing to the Vosburgh. Or, perhaps, he is heading to Keeneland for the Phoenix. I really have no idea however.
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:33 PM
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Not to me. I thought she looked uncomfortable the whole way and was strictly a distant suck-up second. I may be proven wrong but I think Cotton Blossom is a flat out bum.
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:40 PM
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The Spinaway winner definitely benefited from ending up lone speed, as you pointed out, which I suppose hampered the others. It just seemed like nobody did anything even remotely effectual behind her. I agree the winner does look like she may be distance challenged and also is vulnerable if confronted on the front end.

I am looking forward to seeing some of the maiden breakers as they seem like the likeliest horses moving forward. Panty Raid is supposed to go in the Matron ( I don't like that she missed the Spinaway with a small " problem " ), as of course is Magical Ride, and I also like the fillies that finished first and second the final Sunday, Imperial Reign and Autobahn Girl.
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:54 PM
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I actually like Fernando Jara, so this isn't a shot, but do you think Rusty makes a jock switch on Magical Ride?
Maybe G Watts would be better off making a trainer switch to his daughter.
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Old 09-11-2006, 09:09 PM
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Well put, she has seemed to do better with his horses. I'm sure you saw the latest on the Belmont turf. Really not sounding good.
It's basically what I had already heard ( about the roots ). No, it didn't sound great. Let's just keep our fingers crossed. I just don't understand how those courses could be screwed up.
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