Obama love

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

OK, I'll bite. The Soviet Union and Eastern bloc just collapsed on its own?

Somehow or another Reagan is now a bad guy who did nothing. Riot has yet to respond how exactly Carter "got it" in terms of the middle east.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Somehow or another Reagan is now a bad guy who did nothing. Riot has yet to respond how exactly Carter "got it" in terms of the middle east.

carter "got it" alright chuck ----------by getting shipped back to the peanut farm

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Somehow or another Reagan is now a bad guy who did nothing. Riot has yet to respond how exactly Carter "got it" in terms of the middle east.

Yes, the Camp David Accords were a complete failure. Read his current book about the middle east, then we can talk about it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, the Camp David Accords were a complete failure. Read his current book about the middle east, then we can talk about it.

yeah tell those hostages that he "got it". The middle East became far more dangerous on his watch.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah tell those hostages that he "got it". The middle East became far more dangerous on his watch.

Okay. You win.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Okay. You win.

So the Iran hostage situation wasnt a big deal? Did he not "get" Iran? C'mon tell me with a straight face that the rise of the mullahs in Iran hasnt been the single most destabilizing force in the region.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah tell those hostages that he "got it". The middle East became far more dangerous on his watch.

You might also mention Reagan putting up 200 marines
in a hotel in Lebanon as a show of force in the region
against the advice of a number of generals.
200 marines died in that hotel.

The hostage situation in Iran was bad but we did not lose 200
good people in one swift action. Iran was going to crumble.
The writing was on the wall before Carter. Carter did not help
the situation however. The Shah just fell faster than under
Carter than he would have anyway.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, the Camp David Accords were a complete failure. Read his current book about the middle east, then we can talk about it.

Gets it like this?

CARTER: So the persecution of the Palestinians now, under the occupying territories—under the occupation forces—is one of the worst examples of human rights deprivation that I know. And I think it‘s—

SHUSTER: Even worse, though, than a place like Rwanda?

CARTER: Yes. I think—yes. You mean, now?

SHUSTER: Yes.

CARTER: Yes.

SHUSTER: The oppression now of the Israelis—of the Palestinians by the Israelis is worse than the situation in Africa like the oppression of Rwanda and the civil war?

CARTER: I‘m not going back into ancient history about Rwanda, but right now, the persecution of the Palestinians is one of the worst examples of human rights abuse I know, because the Palestinians—

SHUSTER: You‘re talking about right now, you‘re not talking about say, a few years ago.

CARTER: I‘m not talking about ancient history, no.

SHUSTER: Rwanda wasn‘t ancient history; it was just a few years ago.

CARTER: You can talk about Rwanda if you want to. I want to talk

about Palestine. What is being done to the Palestinians now is horrendous

in their own territory, by the occupying powers, which is Israel.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15951792/

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