6/11 - Hol R5

NTamm1215 · #1 06-11-2009, 11:47 AM

Paddy the Pro was a big backstretch buzz horse during BC week. He is a really nice looking horse but the big concern that existed with him prior to the BC still does- no one knows if he's any good on turf.

NT

CSC · #2 06-11-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Paddy the Pro was a big backstretch buzz horse during BC week. He is a really nice looking horse but the big concern that existed with him prior to the BC still does- no one knows if he's any good on turf.

NT

It gets more interesting, I would trust Paddy Gallagher to be an astute horseman then my question is he is surrounded by synthetic tracks in California but yet he tries turf again. Umm...

the_fat_man · #3 06-11-2009, 12:11 PM

I'm going to try Rainbow Goose, if I get my price: >= 10:1.

hockey2315 · #4 06-11-2009, 12:37 PM

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I'm going to try Rainbow Goose, if I get my price: >= 10:1.

Aren't you worried about the field he beat last time? I could only bet this horse if he was switching to a serious move-up guy, which he's not, because his last doesn't put him anywhere close to these. And I know what you're saying about Meteore looking like he needs a perfect trip to win, but I think any of his last three put him right there and he almost HAS to trip out with all the stretch-outs and speed horses. I wouldn't bet him at 2-1, but his 5-1 ML looks good to me.

the_fat_man · #5 06-11-2009, 12:43 PM

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Aren't you worried about the field he beat last time? I could only bet this horse if he was switching to a serious move-up guy, which he's not, because his last doesn't put him anywhere close to these.

If I get a price, I'll try him. His figures might not be good enough but he was under pressure throughout, plugs or not, they pressed him, in decent fractions, and then drew off easily, while running very greenly, and accelerating the last 1/8th and qtr. I'm counting on his footwork being better today. Of course, he's also up against it if (his jockey feels that) he needs the lead.

hockey2315 · #6 06-11-2009, 05:15 PM

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I'm going to try Rainbow Goose, if I get my price: >= 10:1.

How do you think they finish if the 2 doesn't miss the break?

the_fat_man · #7 06-11-2009, 05:23 PM

The way he rated, I suspect they weren't going to gun him today. Which means he gets a nice inside trip. When you factor in that he had to make up all that ground, was widest in the stretch, and probably would've still won with a jock that could've kept him straight (as he lugged in very badly), no doubt he wins.

hockey2315 · #8 06-11-2009, 05:25 PM

I think the top 2 are closer and maybe the 2 wins, but it's possible that the missed break helped him a bit. If they ever get him to run straight he might be an ok one.

hockey2315 · #9 06-11-2009, 12:39 PM

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It gets more interesting, I would trust Paddy Gallagher to be an astute horseman then my question is he is surrounded by synthetic tracks in California but yet he tries turf again. Umm...

Does anyone know if Gallagher usually works his horses really slow? This one has shown absolutely nothing in the mornings speed wise but he has been working regularly enough. He's the type I'd consider taking a chance on or at least using only if he were to take some early money.

CSC · #10 06-11-2009, 12:45 PM

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Does anyone know if Gallagher usually works his horses really slow? This one has shown absolutely nothing in the mornings speed wise but he has been working regularly enough. He's the type I'd consider taking a chance on or at least using only if he were to take some early money.

From what I recall he rarely has eye popping drills and considering he is mostly renouned as a turf trainer that makes sense. I will take a closer look later but knowing Gallagher's pattern's it wouldn't surprise me if he ran well, I recall another horse that had no turf wins in Europe but AW wins but a trainer started him/her on turf and the horse won at Hol-SA? Unfortunately I don't recall if the trainer was Paddy...

cassie · #11 06-11-2009, 12:54 PM

paddythepro is scratched according to nj bets

declansharbor · #12 06-11-2009, 12:55 PM

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paddythepro is scratched according to nj bets

Sadler's charge as well. (#10)

CSC · #13 06-11-2009, 01:00 PM

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Sadler's charge as well. (#10)

Well this $ucks, good discussion regardless of examining possible handicapping angles.

MaTH716 · #14 06-11-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Paddy the Pro was a big backstretch buzz horse during BC week. He is a really nice looking horse but the big concern that existed with him prior to the BC still does- no one knows if he's any good on turf.

NT

Does it concern anyone that he is the only one in for the tag?