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06-08-2009, 04:26 PM
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what do u think of the white house asking the supreme court not to hear the case about dont ask dont tell? he's going to lose a lot of votes if he keeps flip flopping on gay rights. Here is a direct quote, while he doesnt use the terms "I'm sorry", he is often critical of our great country. Maybe I should have used "tour of criticism" instead of "apology tour". for that I apologize for being an arrogant american. "there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive" there are many other quotes though. I'll leave them to Dell!
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06-08-2009, 04:28 PM
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If it's the former, then we see apologizing in a different way because I think admitting your faults is noble. If it's the latter, I think you're delusional. And I'm conflicted on DADT and how he's going about it. I'm not his biggest fan right now by any remote stretch based on that issue and other similar ones...but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
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06-08-2009, 04:38 PM
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Its the former. Admitting your faults to your own country is one thing.. criticizing your country to the rest of the world is another. It is insulting to us and makes us look weak. But we wont see eye to eye on this no matter how long we go back and forth. Thats one of the great things about being American. I didnt really like the whole "we are fine with kicking gays out of the military" line the white house gave today. not an exact quote but thats what it meant. But I gotta jet have a good night my fellow citizen!
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06-08-2009, 04:46 PM
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If he says it to non-Americans, it's criticism of America? It's the same thing, to begin with. The internet means that non-Americans can see him "admitting our faults" to Americans....does it instantly turn into criticism when a non-American is viewing it or hearing it? The logic just doesn't make sense.
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06-09-2009, 07:07 AM
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I would be offended if he said that to us. Admitting your faults and calling your country arrogant are two different things. Admitting the deficit is a problem is okay... then going and making it 4 times larger is the Obama way.
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06-09-2009, 01:06 PM
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Well, I guess there is at least one thing that I like better about the Bush presidency than the Obama presidency: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200...politico/23510
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06-08-2009, 05:55 PM
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He gets no credit for standing up for America on the world stage? Sorry - this doesn't seem a "tour of apology" to me. It's acknowledging that what you even agree are basic truths - where we are in the world right now. "In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive. But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognising the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what is bad. On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated. They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America."
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