This year's 3 year olds based in CA

[Stickhorse]

The 3YOs based in Florida and New York were not so hot either.

Let's see Derby win & place horse:New Mexico & California
Preakness win & place horse: Arkansas & New Mexico
Belmont win & place horse: Arkansas & Florida

This might just start a trend.

I can see a fight for stalls in New Mexico and Arkansas next winter.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Stickhorse

The 3YOs based in Florida and New York were not so hot either.

Let's see Derby win & place horse:New Mexico & California
Preakness win & place horse: Arkansas & New Mexico
Belmont win & place horse: Arkansas & Florida

This might just start a trend.

I can see a fight for stalls in New Mexico and Arkansas next winter.

You could qualify that statement by saying that the winners of the Fla Derby and Wood Memorial ran in exactly 0 Triple Crown races. The 2-3 finishers in the Fla Derby and Wood Memorial were West Side Bernie, Just a Coincidence, Dunkirk, and Theregoesjojo. Dunkirk's 2nd place finish in the Belmont among that quartet's three combined Triple Crown starts is pretty good.

This Triple Crown series said little about the quality of racing in NY or Fla except that it sucked beyond the best horse in each of those locations.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

These arguments get so old

Who won the Acorn yesterday, Belmonts top 3 year old filly race?

[King Glorious]

And I think Colonel John won the Travers. Rags to Riches won the Belmont. I don't know that you should completely throw out the form of California horses.

This year, Papa Clem shipped out and ran second in the LA Derby and won the Arkansas Derby. I Want Revenge shipped out and won the Gotham and Wood.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

And I think Colonel John won the Travers. Rags to Riches won the Belmont. I don't know that you should completely throw out the form of California horses.

Rags to Riches, for whatever it's worth ( which is nothing ), is an East Coast horse that happened to spend a winter in California.

Just another example of how misguided the whole notion is.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rags to Riches, for whatever it's worth ( which is nothing ), is an East Coast horse that happened to spend a winter in California.

Just another example of how misguided the whole notion is.

I understand that. Just saying that she was based out here in the winter and prepped out here.

[blackthroatedwind]

Isn't it more than reasonable to assume that there are some very talented horses in California who's abilities are being completely daunted by synthetic surfaces ( like I Want Revenge was )?

Why do people care where good horses are supposedly from ( Pioneer of the Nile is as much an East Coast horse as I Want Revenge was a West Coast horse )? This is a mythical, and non-existant, rivalry. A good horse is a good horse.....wherever it races.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Isn't it more than reasonable to assume that there are some very talented horses in California who's abilities are being completely daunted by synthetic surfaces ( like I Want Revenge was )?

Why do people care where good horses are supposedly from ( Pioneer of the Nile is as much an East Coast horse as I Want Revenge was a West Coast horse )? This is a mythical, and non-existant, rivalry. A good horse is a good horse.....wherever it races.

I would also say there are average dirt horses moving up out west, and good dirt horses who move down out west. I would also say its visa versa as well going east.

There also is a 10/1 horse population difference, its pretty hard to comparisons when its like two different divisions, kinda like big school and small school sports, you might get some nice kids from the small schools but the sheer numbers will also give the bigger schools the comparative advantage.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I would also say there are average dirt horses moving up out west, and good dirt horses who move down out west. I would also say its visa versa as well going east.

There also is a 10/1 horse population difference, its pretty hard to comparisons when its like two different divisions, kinda like big school and small school sports, you might get some nice kids from the small schools but the sheer numbers will also give the bigger schools the comparative advantage.

Yup. That's the main reason the whole argument is ridiculous. Of course there are more good horses in other parts of the country.....there are more horses.

[Stickhorse]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Isn't it more than reasonable to assume that there are some very talented horses in California who's abilities are being completely daunted by synthetic surfaces ( like I Want Revenge was )?....

Yes and there are some that relish the synthetic surfaces.

[/quote]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Why do people care where good horses are supposedly from ( Pioneer of the Nile is as much an East Coast horse as I Want Revenge was a West Coast horse )? This is a mythical, and non-existant, rivalry. A good horse is a good horse.....wherever it races.

People can be a very provincial.

You know root, root root for the hometeam. Even though the hometeam is stocked with free agents and few locals.

I have never heard a losing trainer or jock remark, "Hey at least that horse was from our circuit!"

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Stickhorse

I have never heard a losing trainer or jock remark, "Hey at least that horse was from our circuit!"

Very true.

I actually like when CA shippers do well in NY, as I hope it will convince others to ship here, and I am certainly hoping Paulo Lobo does well in NY. I hope he is rewarded for shipping his stable across the country.