Delaware should throw in extra $500k for RA & Zenyatta

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Run them at Fairplex. Its in California and its not synthetic

yeah, good luck with that.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, good luck with that.

Hey, its the best compromise.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Delaware Park is a quirky track?

How so exactly?

Shireffs and Moss talked it over already and said no.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Shireffs and Moss talked it over already and said no.

I laughed heartily.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Delaware Park is a quirky track?

How so exactly?

I could certainly be wrong about its quirkiness - and there could be other factors at play - but it seems like there are a lot of horses who run much better or worse there than they do at other tracks. . .

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I could certainly be wrong about its quirkiness - and there could be other factors at play - but it seems like there are a lot of horses who run much better or worse there than they do at other tracks. . .

Like who?

Certain trainers have magic there ... but it's not much different than some other mid atlantic area tracks .. except the stock is a little better at Delaware than say a track like CT.

The difference is that CT is a quirky track .. and Delaware Park isn't from my expierience of betting races at that track over the years.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Like who?

The major one I can think of off the top of my head is Unbridled Belle - but obviously one horse isn't sufficient proof of anything. Honestly, I made the comment quickly in passing and didn't deeply ponder my choice of adjectives before posting. It's a moot point, as the proposed match-up will never occur at Delaware (and probably not anywhere else either). . . I'm still not sure that you're right, but I don't care too much one way or the other.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

The major one I can think of off the top of my head is Unbridled Belle -

I would not agree that Unbridled Belle was a horse who ran much better at Delaware Park than other tracks.

She beat Amandatude by a neck in one of her stakes wins there - and was 2nd to Peak Maria's Way in stake defeat.

She won the Delaware Handicap by 7.75 lengths with a 104 Beyer over Lilla Page .. but two races later she ran back to that 104 Beyer when she won the Beldame at Belmont Park at like 6/1.

She beat Copper State while totally loose on the lead in the following years Obeah .. than was routed next out by Hystericaladly in the Delaware Cap. Her 3rd place finish in her first start after her two final Delaware races got her back to that figure.

To me - she was about the same horse at Delaware Park as elsewhere numbers wise .. and if you look at the horses who were 2nd to her in those Delaware wins ... Moravia, Amandatude, Lila Paige, and Copper State .. it's like a who's who of claiming horses.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Delaware Park is a quirky track?

How so exactly?

Delpark had the reputation of being uneven and could be very deep, especially on the backstretch. It's been about two years since I ran a horse up there but the last time I did, I sat at the bar with Corey Black and he made it clear that the back was very deep.

Delpark could spend their $$'s much more wisely than to offer an extra cash bonanza - they need to support their daily cards.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by phystech

I sat at the bar with Corey Black and he made it clear that the back was very deep.

When I think of wisdom the first thing I think of is a drunk Corey Black

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Do you have any stats of Storm Boot sired-horses first-out on turf?

21-for-267

[letswastemoney]

Shirreffs is the most chicken trainer I've ever read about. He's afraid of a wet racetrack, facing males with a horse clearly capable of facing males, stretching out Zenyatta to 10 furlongs....

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Do you have any stats of Storm Boot sired-horses first-out on turf? I am a little out of pocket right now, and there is a Storm Boot turf firster running tomorrow at Belmont -- I think it is the last race and Weaver trains the horse -- and I have a recollection of seeing some Storm Boots running well first time on turf, particularly on the west coast.

That's a very interesting race - there are four at 10-1+ that look intriguing to me if the chalk is the hanger he appears to be. The Weaver piece, the Hennig, the 1/2 to Summer Patriot, and the Penna Venezuelan bred.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

That's a very interesting race - there are four at 10-1+ that look intriguing to me if the chalk is the hanger he appears to be. The Weaver piece, the Hennig, the 1/2 to Summer Patriot, and the Penna Venezuelan bred.

The Weaver horse (Boots Ahead) is VERY interesting in there at 15-1. I'm using.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Hey, its the best compromise.

no, the best compromise would be a meeting in the fall at saratoga. it's not as tho the mosses never ship-it wouldn't be outrageous to expect them to ship a horse this year that they shipped last year, knowing full well that the bc was in fact in the same location as it will be this fall. i think their reasoning rings hollow. what i really think it is, is that they feel due to rachels running style she would most likely have the upper hand in a meeting. they also probably recognize that HOY will be out of their grasp unless they also chose to face the boys as well, so what would be the point in risking a defeat? may as well try to go out undefeated with their mare. she obviously likes it where she is-and they can certainly dare jackson to come west.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, the best compromise would be a meeting in the fall at saratoga. it's not as tho the mosses never ship-it wouldn't be outrageous to expect them to ship a horse this year that they shipped last year, knowing full well that the bc was in fact in the same location as it will be this fall. i think their reasoning rings hollow. what i really think it is, is that they feel due to rachels running style she would most likely have the upper hand in a meeting. they also probably recognize that HOY will be out of their grasp unless they also chose to face the boys as well, so what would be the point in risking a defeat? may as well try to go out undefeated with their mare. she obviously likes it where she is-and they can certainly dare jackson to come west.

The Zenyatta team probably think they have the better horse and would rather not chase RA by shipping her east side. If they want to meet then RA should be chasing Zenyatta. Besides Santa Anita is the host of this years Breeders Cup so its probably best to stay put and chill till then. RA can meet Zenyatta if she goes in the ladies classic but anywhere else seems unlikely.

[tector]

California racing was the most goddamned boring thing I ever encountered back when simulcasting expanded in the 90s--a largely closed circuit, with the same horses running at the same tracks with largely unvarying weather conditions (except for a couple of months in the winter).

The advent of polymania out there has made the situation much, much worse. It is a complete disgrace that the BC dumped their event there two years in a row. Every few years? Fine. Two years running--a joke.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

The Zenyatta team probably think they have the better horse and would rather not chase RA by shipping her east side. If they want to meet then RA should be chasing Zenyatta. Besides Santa Anita is the host of this years Breeders Cup so its probably best to stay put and chill till then. RA can meet Zenyatta if she goes in the ladies classic but anywhere else seems unlikely.

like they did last year?

[smuthg]

I know this is along way off and doubtful that Zenyatta will still be around, but what about getting the good folks at Oaklawn (a track that they both have had success at) to sweeten the pot for the GI Apple Blossom? Maybe $500k to show up and an additional $500k to the winner? They'd draw 60,000 folks for that race and could easily cover the additional costs...