Storm Flag Flying's first (by A.P. Indy) debuting Saturday..

[philcski]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

She didn't...she ran 3rd at 25-1 in her debut and then came back to win a couple of weeks later.

He also won with a turf horse called Tourism but Banker's Buy is the real answer.

NT

Originally Posted by pick4

She closed to finish 3rd against Nick Zito trained Miss Ocean City in race 6 on July 27,2008.

Cool, thanks. I remember that Miss Ocean City race, too. She turned out to be very disappointing after an excellent debut.

[Linny]

Miss Ocean City is the only Mineshaft I recall winning first out, ever. I'm sure there are others, but I've not seen 'em. She's turn out to be a dud. Leon Blusewicz (sp?) has her now. She was up the track in a small stake in the last week or two.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Linny

Miss Ocean City is the only Mineshaft I recall winning first out, ever. I'm sure there are others, but I've not seen 'em. She's turn out to be a dud. Leon Blusewicz (sp?) has her now. She was up the track in a small stake in the last week or two.

I thought she scratched.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Linny

Miss Ocean City is the only Mineshaft I recall winning first out, ever. I'm sure there are others, but I've not seen 'em. She's turn out to be a dud. Leon Blusewicz (sp?) has her now. She was up the track in a small stake in the last week or two.

There have been a total of three debut winners for Mineshaft in three years. In addition to Miss Ocean City there have been two at Woodbine, Shafted last year and Miner's Claim in 2007.

Mineshaft's top earner thus far- the one and only Casino Drive.

NT

[Linny]

It may have been a few weeks ago, I'll have to see if I can find it. Possibly in MD...

[philcski]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There have been a total of three debut winners for Mineshaft in three years. In addition to Miss Ocean City there have been two at Woodbine, Shafted last year and Miner's Claim in 2007.

Mineshaft's top earner thus far- the one and only Casino Drive.

NT

Casino Drive won his debut...

[Travis Stone]

I know there's some railing on Shug in here but Storm Flag Flying was a nutcase when she came into the paddock at Saratoga. She was flipping-out, freaking-out etc. Her mother had a similar disposition. Shug was able to work through these issues and still get them to run, which is not easy to do.

My first BC in person was '95 when My Flag nailed Cara Rafaela on the wire, who of course went on to foal Bernardini. Lukas was blanked in that race despite having three starters and the favorite.

[HaloWishingwell]

wow this topic went everywhere. I really was expecting a thorough conversation about Fuentes.

[freddymo]

Sounded to me like Shug thought the colt colt needed a race AT LEAST.. I didn't get the feeling he was so impressed with the colt at all..

Also sounded like you could pitch Imperial Council on the cut back and VCauseway.. It sounded like they were reaching for a solution to slow horses..

[eajinabi]

Interesting jockey choice for Colors Flying

[Indian Charlie]

Isn't there a Storm Flag Flying in this race debuting too?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by philcski

Casino Drive won his debut...

Indeed...but I included only North American runners for the sake of my highly intense study.

NT

[hockey2315]

This race appears very interesting and competitive.

#1 - decent pedigree and ok works on poly but probably won't fire first out and will be better down the road

#2 - SERIOUS works from a trainer w/ a good FTS ROI, but I'm not crazy about the fact that he's a Giant's Causeway. Dam was ok.

#3 - has run well in both starts w/ some trouble

#4 - These are the types that Albertrani is dangerous with. Nondescript works and mediocre pedigree (sold for a lot, though), but it may be hard to gauge this one's ability from the PPs alone.

#5 - Already been discussed - best to wait w/ him. Incredible pedigree obviously. . .

#6 - $1M purchase trained by KMc - bullet works, too. Has to be respected at what might be underlaid odds.

#7 - Another third time starter who has run creditably. Notice winner of debut.

#8 - Not sure what to make of this one - probably not much

#9 - Zito w/ a Birdstone that sold for a lot. Decent works, too, but I'd be inclined to wait on him.

#10 - Contender off of the debut

#11 - Another obvious contender

[CSC]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

This race appears very interesting and competitive.

#1 - decent pedigree and ok works on poly but probably won't fire first out and will be better down the road

#2 - SERIOUS works from a trainer w/ a good FTS ROI, but I'm not crazy about the fact that he's a Giant's Causeway. Dam was ok.

#3 - has run well in both starts w/ some trouble

#4 - These are the types that Albertrani is dangerous with. Nondescript works and mediocre pedigree (sold for a lot, though), but it may be hard to gauge this one's ability from the PPs alone.

#5 - Already been discussed - best to wait w/ him. Incredible pedigree obviously. . .

#6 - $1M purchase trained by KMc - bullet works, too. Has to be respected at what might be underlaid odds.

#7 - Another third time starter who has run creditably. Notice winner of debut.

#8 - Not sure what to make of this one - probably not much

#9 - Zito w/ a Birdstone that sold for a lot. Decent works, too, but I'd be inclined to wait on him.

#10 - Contender off of the debut

#11 - Another obvious contender

+1 Istisharry will be underlaid for a first time starter, respect but I would want better odds. I thought Intrepid ran very well in his debut going 3 wide, certainly worked harder than Wanted Alive in that race, I hate to play the favorite but at 3-1, 7-2, he's an attractive favorite.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

There have been a total of three debut winners for Mineshaft in three years. In addition to Miss Ocean City there have been two at Woodbine, Shafted last year and Miner's Claim in 2007.

Mineshaft's top earner thus far- the one and only Casino Drive.

NT

Do you have Mineshaft's second lifetime start numbers handy? If I remember correctly they're staggeringly high. . .