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Old 05-16-2009, 07:15 PM
ArlJim78 ArlJim78 is offline
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Default brilliant shoot yourself in the foot strategy

big mistake by Obama /Pelosi to keep on this subject of Gitmo, torture etc. It has blown up in their faces. Obama looks like an inexperienced rube taking every position in the book, and finally ending up where Bush was, and Pelosi has been exposed as a fraud while both of them have made enemies at the CIA. All because they cannot resist going after Bush Cheney even though they have nothing to gain from it.

Republicans didn't send Cheney out there, Obama forced his hand.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:29 PM
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Republicans didn't send Cheney out there, Obama forced his hand.
Then he is not very loyal to his party.
Makes Republicans look old, tired and bitter.
And stupid...

Cheney asking for sensitive information to
be released to the public...
Unbelievable gall.
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Old 05-16-2009, 07:51 PM
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Then he is not very loyal to his party.
Makes Republicans look old, tired and bitter.
And stupid...

Cheney asking for sensitive information to
be released to the public...
Unbelievable gall.
Pot-Kettle-Black

When Dems flip flop it's the second armageddon..when righties do it it's "good policy"...unreal hypocricy again..
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Old 05-17-2009, 07:05 AM
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Then he is not very loyal to his party.
Makes Republicans look old, tired and bitter.
And stupid...

Cheney asking for sensitive information to
be released to the public...
Unbelievable gall.
haha, not hardly, Cheney standing up for the policies has made Obama look petty, after all, he is recklessly persuing political gains while sacrificing national security.

it wasn't Cheneys choice to have the tortures memos released. after they dumped on our intelligence community by selectively releasing sensitive material that they thought would play well in the media and put Bush/Cheney in a bad light, Cheney requested that they at least be honest and release the documents that showed what intel was gained by using those measures. at this point the only damage that would be done by that is to Obama.
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Old 05-16-2009, 09:19 PM
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big mistake by Obama /Pelosi to keep on this subject of Gitmo, torture etc. It has blown up in their faces. Obama looks like an inexperienced rube taking every position in the book, and finally ending up where Bush was, and Pelosi has been exposed as a fraud while both of them have made enemies at the CIA. All because they cannot resist going after Bush Cheney even though they have nothing to gain from it.

Republicans didn't send Cheney out there, Obama forced his hand.
obama/pelosi. did we give up on obama/blago?

the litmus test for dems has to be that so long as republicans are focused on linking him to the somewhat less popular flavor of the moment, things are going pretty well. particularly with dick cheney insisting on being the public face of the opposition.

and i love the evolution of republican arguement.

1) we don't torture.

2) okay. we do torture but it works.

3) so, we're not sure it works but nancy knew.

thats a path back to power if i ever saw one.
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Old 05-17-2009, 07:17 AM
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obama/pelosi. did we give up on obama/blago?

the litmus test for dems has to be that so long as republicans are focused on linking him to the somewhat less popular flavor of the moment, things are going pretty well. particularly with dick cheney insisting on being the public face of the opposition.

and i love the evolution of republican arguement.

1) we don't torture.

2) okay. we do torture but it works.

3) so, we're not sure it works but nancy knew.

thats a path back to power if i ever saw one.
you must really like the evolution of Obama arguments then.
his positions as a campaigner have not held up very well. first he's closing Gitmo and against tribunals, now he finds out that he can't close Gitmo and tribunals aren't such a bad idea.

Cheney is answering the charges against the Bush administration, he is not trying to be the face of the opposition. frankly its not a bad thing for current Republicans because they don't have to weigh in on the issue, they don't have to be dragged into the nonsense. they can sit back and watch Obama take on his favorite demons; Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Rove, etc. the guy is transparent and thin-skinned.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:03 AM
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you must really like the evolution of Obama arguments then.
his positions as a campaigner have not held up very well. first he's closing Gitmo and against tribunals, now he finds out that he can't close Gitmo and tribunals aren't such a bad idea.

Cheney is answering the charges against the Bush administration, he is not trying to be the face of the opposition. frankly its not a bad thing for current Republicans because they don't have to weigh in on the issue, they don't have to be dragged into the nonsense. they can sit back and watch Obama take on his favorite demons; Bush, Cheney, Limbaugh, Rove, etc. the guy is transparent and thin-skinned.
so long as other republicans remain invisible, then cheney and limbaugh are the public face of the party. and i'm not saying that's a bad thing. i'm all for it.

and so far as thin skinned goes, i'd have to give that award to the guy who used to be in an undisclosed location but now can't find enough microphones. he really has made more media appearances since jan 20th then he did all of 2007 and 2008 combined.

that despite the fact "current republicans" might want to distance themselves from past failures.

democratic strategists love cheney. he is doing all he can to delay the day when republicans might return to power. don't expect dems to disengage. it's to their advantage to keep cheney worked up.

that isn't being thin skinned. it's being expedient.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:25 AM
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cheney must feel he has nothing to lose...he doesn't really. so, he'll be the attack dog for the republicans while they cast about for their new leader....
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Old 05-19-2009, 06:51 AM
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Cheney is a patriot who wants to see the country's defenses remain strong.
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:07 AM
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Cheney is a profiteer who wants to see his bank accounts remain strong.
FTFY
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:13 PM
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well a few of my favorites here

d cheney.. just review the movie 'w' i think you will see what i mean

rush..l the 'jimmy the greek' of the republicans

polosi = 5 martini drinker.

im a 'rightie' bob thats rough from you.but these people are just soap scum

again the whole republican party cant be roped into these few things..ill grow tired if we had to defend the past 4 years for the next 4..
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Old 05-19-2009, 05:36 PM
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So this Big Dick draft dodger





backs this big slob draft dodger





Over this decorated Four Star General





And some of you applaud the draft dodgers....

Figures
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Old 05-19-2009, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
obama/pelosi. did we give up on obama/blago?

the litmus test for dems has to be that so long as republicans are focused on linking him to the somewhat less popular flavor of the moment, things are going pretty well. particularly with dick cheney insisting on being the public face of the opposition.

and i love the evolution of republican arguement.

1) we don't torture.

2) okay. we do torture but it works.

3) so, we're not sure it works but nancy knew.

thats a path back to power if i ever saw one.
Fox News is based on that 1-2-3 dance method. They often keep going 'til about 10 though.
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