Transcript of Zayat, Allen on HRTV

[Merlinsky]

Not exactly a surprise. Just shows Mark Allen is staying true to form. I know there's a business element everyone's well aware of but I thought more of Mrs. Whitney than that just from things in the past like when she took back one of the horses she bred who'd been found in a kill pen or something, Cviano a half brother to Birdstone. You'd also think she'd know it's assuming a lot that Mine That Bird wouldn't face stiff competition just for 2nd place even if Rachel did run and dominate. I haven't met her though. Maybe there's a point where business decisions take over for sportsmanship for her beyond what I'd have anticipated.

Does anybody know of any possible argument that "properly nominated" per the Preakness rules might not exclude a supplement? The language supposedly isn't as definitive as the Derby's is why I ask. Who gets in and in what order is kinda screwy here.

[randallscott35]

Can I ask what you think of this Steve?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

all 4 of them are faggots

Hey who gave Jwkniska access to Bobby Fischer's account?!

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Hey who gave Jwkniska access to Bobby Fischer's account?!

sorry about that , i changed my original post.

what is your opinion of the topic?

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Hey who gave Jwkniska access to Bobby Fischer's account?!

[CSC]

This kind of explains why Wooley still has Borel listed as MTB's rider pending what happens Wednesday.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by zayat in his own world

I have a colt who competed in the Derby who finished second. I feel I have to come back in two weeks and compete in the second leg and the third leg if I will. She didn’t go through that. She didn’t run in the Derby and lo and behold she changes owners and they decide they want to take a shot in the Preakness.

Originally Posted by zayat OMFG!!

“One other criteria for me, I like playing by the rules. All these colts from the very beginning have had to compete and go through the regimen and tough scheduling and go from one race to another to get graded earnings, and that puts a lot of stress on them. And in all fairness, she did not have to go through all that, and her previous owners did not even bother to nominate her to the Triple Crown, and then someone else comes in and tries to change the name of the game and the rules in the middle of the game and I think that is unfair. I’m not against the filly running against the boys. Who am I to say that? But I am questioning the two-week interval. Why not give her a freshening and run her in the Belmont? Two weeks for a filly. Does our sport need another Eight Belles? We all know what happened to Rags to Riches after her race in the Belmont. We all know what happened to Ruffian. I did not want to have that part of it on my watch.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

This kind of explains why Wooley still has Borel listed as MTB's rider pending what happens Wednesday.

yeah, he's not naming another rider on the off chance he gets to keep borel.

[Many Others]

oh they're all just swell folks - maybe have missed it but have heard no mention of this, even involves the bizaare 2008 Breeders Cup runaway juror twist

If it weren't for the plea deal that his dad, former Veco chief executive Bill Allen, made with federal prosecutors, Mark Allen might not have been in the winner's circle Saturday at the Kentucky Derby, celebrating the victory of his thoroughbred Mine That Bird and a $2 million purse.

Bill Allen, in pleading guilty in 2007 to three counts related to his central role in the Alaska public corruption scandal, won immunity from federal criminal charges for Mark Allen.

*****

Mine That Bird indirectly figured into one of the strangest events in the Stevens trial. After the jurors began deliberating, one of them, Marian Hinnant, suddenly skipped town. Initially she told the judge her father had died, but then admitted she had a ticket to see the Breeders Cup, a major thoroughbred stakes race Santa Anita Park near Los Angeles.

http://http://www.adn.com/news/politics/veco/story/781355.html

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Many Others

oh they're all just swell folks - maybe have missed it but have heard no mention of this, even involves the bizaare 2008 Breeders Cup runaway juror twist

If it weren't for the plea deal that his dad, former Veco chief executive Bill Allen, made with federal prosecutors, Mark Allen might not have been in the winner's circle Saturday at the Kentucky Derby, celebrating the victory of his thoroughbred Mine That Bird and a $2 million purse.

Bill Allen, in pleading guilty in 2007 to three counts related to his central role in the Alaska public corruption scandal, won immunity from federal criminal charges for Mark Allen.

*****

Mine That Bird indirectly figured into one of the strangest events in the Stevens trial. After the jurors began deliberating, one of them, Marian Hinnant, suddenly skipped town. Initially she told the judge her father had died, but then admitted she had a ticket to see the Breeders Cup, a major thoroughbred stakes race Santa Anita Park near Los Angeles.

http://http://www.adn.com/news/politics/veco/story/781355.html

i remember that juror getting in trouble, and facing a contempt of court charge. didn't realize it was part of this case til you posted all that. wow.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i remember that juror getting in trouble, and facing a contempt of court charge. didn't realize it was part of this case til you posted all that. wow.

So she was a friend of the Allen's? Who goes to the Breeders Cup from Alaska? If she knew them, she should be doing time.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Hey who gave Jwkniska access to Bobby Fischer's account?!

[DaTruth]

I haven't seen this much hatred involving a Preakness since the war of words between Woody Stephens and Gene Klein/Gary Stevens in 1988. Stephens called Gary a "stupid boy." Klein said Stephens belonged in the "Hall of Shame." Woody responded by calling Klein "crying Klein." DWL kept his mouth shut.

[declansharbor]

I know many here will not share this sentiment, but isn't it their job to give their horse the best chance of winning the race? Wouldnt doing whats better for the horse to win the 2nd jewel of the Triple Crown trump doing whats best for the sport/spectator? If entering a hopeless horse (Indy Express) to prevent the main threat (Rachel ALexander) from getting to the gate gives the horse the best chance to win the Preakness, they'd be idiots to not at least entertain the thought. Chicken$hit move or not, it certainly lies within the bounds of legality. (entering another horse to prevent another talent-superior horse from getting to the gate)

Is this move that different from entering a rabbit? I understand that rabbits, for the most part, dont prevent other win-eligible horses from entering, that they just throw a curveball into the race via pace scenarios.

The name of the game is to win the big races and to give your horse the best possible chance to win ced big races. If you rob the spectators/fans of the best possible matchup in doing so, so be it. I'm sure the fans would understand the dilemna a whole lot better if they were in Allen's shoes.

disclaimer:: I don't necessarily think that it's the right move from a sportsmanship standpoint, but I certainly would mull the idea over. Being that you have a healthy and talented enough horse to get the job done, the idea is to win the race by any legal means necessary, riiiight?.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Is this move that different from entering a rabbit? I understand that rabbits, for the most part, dont prevent other win-eligible horses from entering, that they just throw a curveball into the race via pace scenarios.

A good horse can overcome a pace scenario, but if owners conspire to keep a horse out by abusing the rules...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I know many here will not share this sentiment, but isn't it their job to give their horse the best chance of winning the race? Wouldnt doing whats better for the horse to win the 2nd jewel of the Triple Crown trump doing whats best for the sport/spectator? If entering a hopeless horse (Indy Express) to prevent the main threat (Rachel ALexander) from getting to the gate gives the horse the best chance to win the Preakness, they'd be idiots to not at least entertain the thought. Chicken$hit move or not, it certainly lies within the bounds of legality. (entering another horse to prevent another talent-superior horse from getting to the gate)

Is this move that different from entering a rabbit? I understand that rabbits, for the most part, dont prevent other win-eligible horses from entering, that they just throw a curveball into the race via pace scenarios.

The name of the game is to win the big races and to give your horse the best possible chance to win ced big races. If you rob the spectators/fans of the best possible matchup in doing so, so be it. I'm sure the fans would understand the dilemna a whole lot better if they were in Allen's shoes.

disclaimer:: I don't necessarily think that it's the right move from a sportsmanship standpoint, but I certainly would mull the idea over. Being that you have a healthy and talented enough horse to get the job done, the idea is to win the race by any legal means necessary, riiiight?.

people enter rabbits to ensure a quick pace, not to keep a horse from even entering a race. apples vs oranges imo. if they think they have the best horse, run him and let's see. but this cowardly crap of entering a horse just to scratch, with no intention of running him? if it works, and RA doesn't run-then i would call a win by MTB not only a second miracle, but a hollow victory. not a sportsmanlike move at all. big difference between helping your own horse run his race and not letting another run at all.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Is this move that different from entering a rabbit?

Yes.

[Merlinsky]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...t-block-rachel Check it out. Looks like the person causing most of the drama now is Mrs. Whitney. I love how Zayat's all about 'playing by the rules' or whatever. Uh dude, see the rules say you can supplement a horse, and they also would give Rachel enough graded earnings to've made the Derby field so it's not like she didn't earn it as you put it. I love how the president of the Jockey Club's cracking some heads. I bet some folks are wishing they'd kept their mouths shut about their lil plot.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...t-block-rachel Check it out. Looks like the person causing most of the drama now is Mrs. Whitney. I love how Zayat's all about 'playing by the rules' or whatever. Uh dude, see the rules say you can supplement a horse, and they also would give Rachel enough graded earnings to've made the Derby field so it's not like she didn't earn it as you put it. I love how the president of the Jockey Club's cracking some heads. I bet some folks are wishing they'd kept their mouths shut about their lil plot.

Oh good, now we can all talk about what a great and sporting guy Zayat is for being above all this and not doing it. What a piece.

This would be one of the saddest moves in recent history if she gets left out because people fill the field because they're afraid of losing to her. What happened to good, old fashioned, ducking races you couldn't win?

Can't win the Preakness because your horse is no good? Turn it into a tough NW1X...good thinking. I hope MTB's connections and Whitney get all the terrible misfortune and bad racing karma they possibly can if they do this.

And without General Quarters in the race, I needed someone to root home for last. Now at least I have an idea who I'd prefer to see cross the wire last...who knew I'd ever say that about a Derby winner?

BF, that's what I think about this.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Oh good, now we can all talk about what a great and sporting guy Zayat is for being above all this and not doing it. What a piece.

This would be one of the saddest moves in recent history if she gets left out because people fill the field because they're afraid of losing to her. What happened to good, old fashioned, ducking races you couldn't win?

Can't win the Preakness because your horse is no good? Turn it into a tough NW1X...good thinking. I hope MTB's connections and Whitney get all the terrible misfortune and bad racing karma they possibly can if they do this.

And without General Quarters in the race, I needed someone to root home for last. Now at least I have an idea who I'd prefer to see cross the wire last...who knew I'd ever say that about a Derby winner?

BF, that's what I think about this.

if you enter a maiden to keep a filly out of the race... maybe you shouldnt be in the race at all with any horse. there are a lot of wussy's out there. I guess Mark Allen and Marylou Whitney and Zayat are some major chickens.

BACH BACH!