Borel off Bird for Rachel in Preakness

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by pointman

Post of the year!

pointman - can you post the last qtr for sec and mtb ? i would be curious to see what they are

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

The 2 probably favorites and (my opinion best horses) IWR & Quality Road scratch + post time favorite Fresian Fire not breaking clean and getting to the front +the track condition + an absolute tremendous ride on the best part of the track = Mine that Bird lighting up the toteboard. To use someone else's quote, "It was the Perfect Storm".

when the gates opened all the horses had their chances , 1 fired 18 others did not - surely he must get credit for that

as for IWR and QR - we will never know

Dunkirk was right there against QR but could not be found in the derby

IWR got beat by POTN - 2 times - you going to tell me IWR was going to run the same figures he did at AQU on fast tracks on the muddy surface at CD?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

pointman - can you post the last qtr for sec and mtb ? i would be curious to see what they are

Mine That Bird - 24.05
Secretariat - 23.20

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Mine That Bird - 24.05
Secretariat - 23.20

thx scott - can you post some of the others?

ie

Sunday Silence
Thunder Gulch
Winning Colors

any of them that you can find?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by gales0678

they still can , but the $ involved in the breedding games discourages this

back then i assume purse $ was more important for some of these owners

there s/b no reason why trainers can't get today's horses to run as much as horses from the past you are right

True, but due to the economic climate, breeding is going to take a hit too. At some point, breeding to get a great 3 year old, which by most accounts is still not a fully developed (or peaked) horse, in order to then retire the three year old and repeat, seems a little ridiculous. If they actually raced longer into the horse's age, not necessarily more frequent, more speed and endurance potential might become evident.

OK, I'm letting my bias creep in as I don't like the early retirement mania in racing these days, but you get the point.

[slotdirt]

Does anybody else feel like this is day care and gales is the neediest kid in the class?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Does anybody else feel like this is day care and gales is the neediest kid in the class?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

thx scott - can you post some of the others?

ie

Sunday Silence
Thunder Gulch
Winning Colors

any of them that you can find?

All I have here are the last few years and Secretariat.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Does anybody else feel like this is day care and gales is the neediest kid in the class?

i'm just trying to catch up to da hoss in total post - gotta lotta work to do

[slotdirt]

Quality, young gales, is superior to quantity.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Quality, young gales, is superior to quantity.

that's not what drugs told me

[31lengths]

Originally Posted by South Beach Luv

Somebody else asked in the other thread, is this the first time a jockey has done that?

This question may have already been answered in these 7 pages of posts but has any jock ever won the TC without the same horse?
Did that make sense?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm convinced at the very least he's a second or third cousin of PG1985. Has to be.

Internet Marty and Live Marty are completely different. Live Marty is awesome, huge fan, but the Internet Marty has lost his mind

[slotdirt]

You know, I just have to come out and say this:

I heart punctuation.

[Split Rock]

Originally Posted by Scav

No it isn't but I am not going to get into the statistics, maybe 1 out of 20 go against the data that shows huge jump up efforts hurt horses, especially YOUNG ones < 4 years of age

Huge efforts? Huge can take on many different definitions. I think it's bs, too...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'll take your word for it.

he's very correct... hung out with Marty lots @ the track and @ the golf course and we've chilled in Orlando... he's a great guy..

Its just the meth fumes from the apartment below getting to him.

[letswastemoney]

Are they even asking Borel to stay on RA?? Borel never rides for those connections on other horses does he?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Scav

This could be the single greatest mistake ever made by an owner, running back in 14 days off such a huge effort, even 5 weeks is a bit much. She might romp but this romp might cost her 3-4 starts in the future, unless the plan is no more after her 3 year old year

I'm the most conservative person in the world when it comes to giving horses time between races. I hate running horses back quickly. But in this case, I would definitely run Rachel in the Preakness. She was under a strangle-hold in the Oaks. She wasn't even close to being all out. She could have won by another 5-10 lengths if she was asked. As others have said, that race was like a workout for her.

In addition, the Preakness should be an easy race for her. I don't think there will be a horse in there that can come within 8 lengths of her. I think she will be able to win under a strangle-hold again. I would have no concerns about bringing her back in 15 days in this case.

[ninetoone]

I'll always wonder how many lengths she would have won this year's Derby by....

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

I'll always wonder how many lengths she would have won this year's Derby by....

Perhaps by the same amount as that other noted Fairgrounds slop lover, Friesan Fire.