Triple Crown Winner - a possibility?

[KirisClown]

The real question is how can he NOT win the Tripe Crown? This horse and his connections are the epitome of brilliance...

The savior of racing has been revealed.. his name is Mine That Bird...

[Danzig]

if anyone thinks the derby is a good indication of how these horses will do the rest of the year....let me bring up smarty jones' derby. a lot of people knocked the results, since only two horses ran a lick on that surface. this surface was in even worse shape.
you had one horse-ONE- who ran well. he inexplicably ran thirty-odd points better than his previous best, while everyone else was subpar. had that race been anything other than the derby, most of that field would have scratched. taking the results of that race as gospel would be a mistake imo. yes, horses can run well after maturing over the spring. but this particular win is more than that. the horse will have to win without the rest of the field clunking it up for me to think he's anything to watch for, bet on, next time out.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if anyone thinks the derby is a good indication of how these horses will do the rest of the year....let me bring up smarty jones' derby. a lot of people knocked the results, since only two horses ran a lick on that surface. this surface was in even worse shape.
you had one horse-ONE- who ran well. he inexplicably ran thirty-odd points better than his previous best, while everyone else was subpar. had that race been anything other than the derby, most of that field would have scratched. taking the results of that race as gospel would be a mistake imo. yes, horses can run well after maturing over the spring. but this particular win is more than that. the horse will have to win without the rest of the field clunking it up for me to think he's anything to watch for, bet on, next time out.

I know what you're saying, but didn't the place and show horses run speed figures that fit perfectly well with what they had done previously? In terms of BSFs, they are both mid-90s horses who ran in the mid-90s on Saturday.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I know what you're saying, but didn't the place and show horses run speed figures that fit perfectly well with what they had done previously? In terms of BSFs, they are both mid-90s horses who ran in the mid-90s on Saturday.

ok-if that's the case with 2-4, then i guess the other 15 were subpar? or most of them. i doubt atomic rain or flying private ran a subpar race. friesan fire was definitely not the same as he had been.

i just think the track had the most to do with what happened. different track, different results. like i said saturday just after the race, i wouldn't bet mine that bird with someone else's money next out.

[sdjcom]

they bought a gelding 2yo juvenile canadien champ on syn-track, took him to Sunland made him look bad then waited to get in derby knowing he would clean their clock there and in last two triple crown races, my opinion a set-up and would make a good novel. If MTB checks out clean on after race testing then it's a set-up. Horses don't run like that for know reason, the rest of the field ran the best they could on a horrible track. 1/19 horses handled the track. i don't believe it, and think some sh@# will come out of this.

[CSC]

From Beyer's column today.

Mine That Bird's win will be popularly regarded as the result of a once-in-a-lifetime perfect storm. Probably this opinion is correct; probably the gelding will never win another major race. However, I can remember that the other utterly implausible Derby winner, Canonero II, was regarded the same way. Two weeks later he won the Preakness and forced all of the doubters to revise their opinion that the Derby was a fluke.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by CSC

From Beyer's column today.

Mine That Bird's win will be popularly regarded as the result of a once-in-a-lifetime perfect storm. Probably this opinion is correct; probably the gelding will never win another major race. However, I can remember that the other utterly implausible Derby winner, Canonero II, was regarded the same way. Two weeks later he won the Preakness and forced all of the doubters to revise their opinion that the Derby was a fluke.

I think alot of people thought WAR EMBLEM'S Derby win was a case of everyone falling asleep at the wheel and was a front running fluke. Winning The Preakness quieted the cries until The Belmont.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

they bought a gelding 2yo juvenile canadien champ on syn-track, took him to Sunland made him look bad then waited to get in derby knowing he would clean their clock there and in last two triple crown races, my opinion a set-up and would make a good novel

If they knew he was so damn good they should have put Chantel back on board. Then they would have probably got 90-1 on him.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

If they knew he was so damn good they should have put Chantel back on board. Then they would have probably got 90-1 on him.

they did get more than 90-1 in the exotics, plus Borel is good from off the pace, @ CD. Most on here can't grasp the way this horse out ran 18 others so easy, i don't buy it for one second he just jumped up and torn up a terrible track like that. Iv'e watch the replay a few times and still don't believe it something smells here.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

they bought a gelding 2yo juvenile canadien champ on syn-track, took him to Sunland made him look bad then waited to get in derby knowing he would clean their clock there and in last two triple crown races, my opinion a set-up and would make a good novel. If MTB checks out clean on after race testing then it's a set-up. Horses don't run like that for know reason, the rest of the field ran the best they could on a horrible track. 1/19 horses handled the track. i don't believe it, and think some sh@# will come out of this.

If thats the case and they knew this horse was that good then this is the greatest horse of all time. To think they had much confidence in this horse as the most freakesh horse they had ever seen to take him to Sunland stiff him twice knowing all along that all these scratches were going to happen that would allow him into the race, then know the stiff jobs wouldnt affect the horse negataively because he was that good? . Sounds too much

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by kgar311

If thats the case and they knew this horse was that good then this is the greatest horse of all time. To think they had much confidence in this horse as the most freakesh horse they had ever seen to take him to Sunland stiff him twice knowing all along that all these scratches were going to happen that would allow him into the race, then know the stiff jobs wouldnt affect the horse negataively because he was that good? . Sounds too much

i agreed with you but said it makes for a great novel, just pure fiction by me. I have no proof or am accusing his owners or trainers, just a conversation piece. And i still don't believe it.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I know what you're saying, but didn't the place and show horses run speed figures that fit perfectly well with what they had done previously? In terms of BSFs, they are both mid-90s horses who ran in the mid-90s on Saturday.

Every single horse in the race needed to run a career high Beyer to beat Mine That Bird Saturday except for Dunkirk.

[slotdirt]

Am I the only cynical one still waiting to see the final test come back on the winner's blood sample?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Am I the only cynical one still waiting to see the final test come back on the winner's blood sample?

That would be the final nail in the coffin for the sport.

[gales0678]

has the purse money offically cleared?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

That would be the final nail in the coffin for the sport.

no it wouldn't....and how many nails does a coffin take anyway??

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Am I the only cynical one still waiting to see the final test come back on the winner's blood sample?

no sir several of us has mentioned it, but surely MTB guys are smarter than that, we'll see.

[gales0678]

if the impossible/ unthinkable became reality and he came down , would POTN still be running for the triple crown or if you move up on a dq then it doesn't count?

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Am I the only cynical one still waiting to see the final test come back on the winner's blood sample?

I am still waiting for the blood results too.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if anyone thinks the derby is a good indication of how these horses will do the rest of the year....let me bring up smarty jones' derby. a lot of people knocked the results, since only two horses ran a lick on that surface. this surface was in even worse shape.
you had one horse-ONE- who ran well. he inexplicably ran thirty-odd points better than his previous best, while everyone else was subpar. had that race been anything other than the derby, most of that field would have scratched. taking the results of that race as gospel would be a mistake imo. yes, horses can run well after maturing over the spring. but this particular win is more than that. the horse will have to win without the rest of the field clunking it up for me to think he's anything to watch for, bet on, next time out.

Look out for T Pletch to steal this training angle next year-


1. Drive his horses around Kentucky for 21 hours
2. Open the trailer gate
3. Watch 'em run out of their skin