Weekend Beyers (Rachel 108; Bird 105)

slotdirt · #1 05-04-2009, 11:33 AM

If there were some Sunland - Churchill Downs angle, I'm sure we would have all been playing it long ago. There is absolutely nothing in this horse's pre-Derby form, at least to me, that is a lesson to be learned.

FATPIANO · #2 05-04-2009, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

If there were some Sunland - Churchill Downs angle, I'm sure we would have all been playing it long ago. There is absolutely nothing in this horse's pre-Derby form, at least to me, that is a lesson to be learned.

I agree, This horse was on drugs, no other reason can explain what happened

slotdirt · #3 05-04-2009, 11:53 AM

Well, Paulick does have an article up right now on his site about one of the leading Sunland trainers out-and-out accusing some of his peers of juicing. Obviously, I'm not seriously saying that Mine that Bird was juiced, but the improvement in form is absolutely baffling to explain with any sort of logic.

kgar311 · #4 05-04-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

If there were some Sunland - Churchill Downs angle, I'm sure we would have all been playing it long ago. There is absolutely nothing in this horse's pre-Derby form, at least to me, that is a lesson to be learned.

So what the odds that some 15k claiming horses from Sunland start to ship over to Churchill for some graded stakes races?

letswastemoney · #5 05-04-2009, 03:55 PM

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So what the odds that some 15k claiming horses from Sunland start to ship over to Churchill for some graded stakes races?

Mine That Bird was nowhere near the level of a claiming horse, you can't use the comparison. He ran in a 900k race filled with allowance/small stakes type horses. Possibly G3 level horses if you look at Kelly Leak.

kgar311 · #6 05-04-2009, 04:57 PM

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Mine That Bird was nowhere near the level of a claiming horse, you can't use the comparison. He ran in a 900k race filled with allowance/small stakes type horses. Possibly G3 level horses if you look at Kelly Leak.

I didnt say he was, I answered a post that said there was some sort of angle from training and racing at Sunland in high altitudes and coming to CD and making a huge jump and improvement. I was just saying that some fool out there might think his 15 claimer is a stake horse now at Churchill.

tiggerv · #7 05-04-2009, 05:05 PM

-4 TG figure for RA

VOL JACK · #8 05-04-2009, 05:52 PM

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-4 TG figure for RA

Thats huge for a ground saving trip that only got a 107 beyer.
With her type of trip seems like a 113-116 beyer would be more in line with the neg# 4

ateamstupid · #9 05-04-2009, 09:04 PM

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Thats huge for a ground saving trip that only got a 107 beyer.
With her type of trip seems like a 113-116 beyer would be more in line with the neg# 4

Friday had to be a nightmare for figuremakers with the track condition changing like seven times, but I agree that I thought her Beyer would be higher.