Thank You Mine That Bird

Danzig · #1 05-02-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

If you think about it...Mine That Bird only lost by 3 lengths to Kelly Leak. Hasn't Kelly Leak been running against the best 3 year olds in So Cal?

Maybe the Sunland beyer figures are a bit lower than they should be?

losing three lengths to kelly leak is a good thing? kelly leak is ok, but i wouldn't think he'd be a barometer on the supposed best three year olds.

oh...now i've done it-bashed another west coast horse. scuds'll be on me for sure.

Travis Stone · #2 05-02-2009, 10:10 PM

When they neared the quarter pole it looked like Pioneerof the Nile was going to blow open the race and blow up the DerbyTrail.com server.

Danzig · #3 05-02-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

When they neared the quarter pole it looked like Pioneerof the Nile was going to blow open the race and blow up the DerbyTrail.com server.

i think most would have rather he won than mine that bird. people want a horse to follow, and a horse to go on to win the tc. i doubt anyone thinks MTB will turn out to be a good one, or that he has a chance to win the other two classics.

Dunbar · #4 05-02-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i think most would have rather he won than mine that bird. people want a horse to follow, and a horse to go on to win the tc. i doubt anyone thinks MTB will turn out to be a good one, or that he has a chance to win the other two classics.

Nope. I'm always glad to see a gelding win. I like to see a horse run more than twice after the Derby.

--Dunbar

blackthroatedwind · #5 05-02-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

When they neared the quarter pole it looked like Pioneerof the Nile was going to blow open the race.

All kidding aside, this was the moment where had he been any better than a decent/good horse he would have asserted himself.

Instead, he battled Papa Clem and Musket Man in a thrilling duel to see who would be a distant second.

nomad · #6 05-02-2009, 10:15 PM

So I assume everyone else here knows what "inscutable" means.

Travis Stone · #7 05-02-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

All kidding aside, this was the moment where had he been any better than a decent/good horse he would have asserted himself.

Instead, he battled Papa Clem and Musket Man in a thrilling duel to see who would be a distant second.

The image if Mine That Bird wasn't in the race scenario is scary. The three best 3-year-olds watched today's race from their stalls.

sumitas · #8 05-02-2009, 10:23 PM

He was 2008 champion 2 year old in Canada . It's not like he didn't belong .

#9 05-02-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

The three best 3-year-olds watched today's race from their stalls.

I am sure they would have thrived in the swamp.

pointman · #10 05-02-2009, 10:26 PM

For those trying to make a case for anyone today, remember, this field got smoked by a horse who could not win the Sunland Derby!

King Glorious · #11 05-02-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

The image if Mine That Bird wasn't in the race scenario is scary. The three best 3-year-olds watched today's race from their stalls.

But then if they would have lost too, somebody would be saying that they didn't run their race either. Why is it that when the track is off, people like to say that ONLY the winner ran their race? They did the same thing in 2004 with Smarty.

Facts.
The winner kicked ass today. Simple as that.

Some people said that Pioneer COULD NOT run on dirt. Not that they didn't think he'd be as effective on dirt as on synthetic but that he was a slow turf horse that COULD NOT run on it. They even suggested that anyone that asked the question "how do we know since he's never tried it" were idiots or insane and that the question was crap.

Now the question is whether or not he can run on a fast dirt track and the answer is the same. We still don't know.

Some people hate to be wrong. Instead of giving the winner credit, they'll find all kinds of ways to disparage a horse that obviously ran better than they thought they would. Even if it was in a seven length loss and the 10 best 3yos all scratched out, it was better than he was thought to run. It shouldn't matter if all of the top horses scratched out. If he was a slow turf horse that can't run on it, he shouldn't have finished second at all.

cowgirlintexas · #12 05-03-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

But then if they would have lost too, somebody would be saying that they didn't run their race either. Why is it that when the track is off, people like to say that ONLY the winner ran their race? They did the same thing in 2004 with Smarty.

Facts.
The winner kicked ass today. Simple as that.

Some people said that Pioneer COULD NOT run on dirt. Not that they didn't think he'd be as effective on dirt as on synthetic but that he was a slow turf horse that COULD NOT run on it. They even suggested that anyone that asked the question "how do we know since he's never tried it" were idiots or insane and that the question was crap.

Now the question is whether or not he can run on a fast dirt track and the answer is the same. We still don't know.

Some people hate to be wrong. Instead of giving the winner credit, they'll find all kinds of ways to disparage a horse that obviously ran better than they thought they would. Even if it was in a seven length loss and the 10 best 3yos all scratched out, it was better than he was thought to run. It shouldn't matter if all of the top horses scratched out. If he was a slow turf horse that can't run on it, he shouldn't have finished second at all.

We won't mention any names

blackthroatedwind · #13 05-02-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone

The image if Mine That Bird wasn't in the race scenario is scary. The three best 3-year-olds watched today's race from their stalls.

The scenerio is really laugh out loud funny ( and you get a sample of it from some who are still confused in this thread ).

Let's see....the race would have gotten roughly the 97 Beyer it deserved. The usuals would have then accused Beyer of intentionally lowering the number, even though it fit perfectly for the ( then ) first three finishers, in a desperate attempt to confirm his ( actually correct ) opinion that Pioneer of the Nile wasn't particularly fast.

It would have been a real screach!

The Indomitable DrugS · #14 05-02-2009, 10:45 PM

I would have been badmouthing the field away like no tomorrow instead of puzzled trying to understand how MTB isn't a claiming horse.

Sightseek · #15 05-02-2009, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I would have been badmouthing the field away like no tomorrow instead of puzzled trying to understand how MTB isn't a claiming horse.

Well at least you now have a new tops to your worst classic winners evah list.

CSC · #16 05-02-2009, 10:52 PM

In the end wasn't today a day where we should be discussing how the Beyers figures failed in predicting this derby? Frankly I was surprised how badly Dunkirk and Friesan Fire ran today.

#17 05-02-2009, 10:56 PM

They ran in a gd swamp...

And Beyer will make his little numbers.
That actually mean less than his syn. numbers.
Amazing.

I think BTW has Beyer's look-a-like sex doll.

The Indomitable DrugS · #18 05-02-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

In the end wasn't today a day where we should be discussing how the Beyers figures failed in predicting this derby? Frankly I was surprised how badly Dunkirk and Friesan Fire ran today.

Friesan Fire is a phony who's had easy trips in slow paced races - and there was a good chance another great hate of mine for this race - turned somehow my pick -Dunkirk would get his education and run lousy.

How did the Beyer figures fail? Are they supposed to have Mine That Bird running a 110 in his two losses at Sunland?

By far and away the two genuine real horses were both injured. They were supposed to beat this field to a pulp if they ran.

Port Conway Lane · #19 05-02-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

In the end wasn't today a day where we should be discussing how the Beyers figures failed in predicting this derby? Frankly I was surprised how badly Dunkirk and Friesan Fire ran today.

I'm not sure whether the beyers failed as poorly as any other method of handicapping but I would like to know why this crop WAS considered eons stronger than last year's before the Derby and after today I read descriptions of "mediocrity" right and left.
Obviously QR And IWR are nice horses so besides them who makes this crop so much stronger than last years crop if the remaining runners in today's race are mediocre?

Gaelic Storm · #20 05-02-2009, 10:26 PM

Any trip notes out the race? NBC showed Dunkirk breaking poorly, FF grabbed a quarter and Hold Me Back had a questionable ride, I thought Summer Bird had a had a trip worth noting, he was one of the few that passed horses in the stretch and maybe be playable at a price in the Preakness or Belmont.