Just for a change of pace

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm not so sure I understand this. Brian already said he repects a womans choice, no matter what her choice is, an he respects her choice even if he disagree's with her decison.

He was trying to say if you are pro-choice you must believe like he that the unborn fetus is just a mass of cells and thus you'd have no problem with 6 vs. 1 abortion. I'm saying some in fact more than some people believe it's her right to choose but also believe that choice is the lessor of two evils to be avoided in the future. The other side would say an abortion is little more than taking a big crap philosophically. He really isn't very malleable.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He was trying to say if you are pro-choice you must believe like he that the unborn fetus is just a mass of cells and thus you'd have no problem with 6 vs. 1 abortion. I'm saying some in fact more than some people believe it's her right to choose but also believe that choice is the lessor of two evils to be avoided in the future. The other side would say an abortion is little more than taking a big crap philosophically. He really isn't very malleable.

thank you for clearing that up.. and I agree... and I'm sure Brian agree's also. There are probably many different ways of being pro choice.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He was trying to say if you are pro-choice you must believe like he that the unborn fetus is just a mass of cells and thus you'd have no problem with 6 vs. 1 abortion. I'm saying some in fact more than some people believe it's her right to choose but also believe that choice is the lessor of two evils to be avoided in the future. The other side would say an abortion is little more than taking a big crap philosophically. He really isn't very malleable.

I agree totally that there are people like that out there, but was just wondering where Lori stood.

I'm indifferent about lots of things in life, but I'm completely serious and not capable of being moved when it comes to the death penalty, choice, and gay rights.

For me, everything else has at least some grey areas to think about and discuss.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

thank you for clearing that up.. and I agree... and I'm sure Brian agree's also. There are probably many different ways of being pro choice.

Completely. I was just pointing out where I stood. I am far more pro-choice than most pro-choicers, and that doesn't really have anything to do with how much I may love/not love abortion itself or exactly where along the lines in a pregnancy I think it becomes increasingly problematic to not consider it a a capable human being. It's just about how seriously pro-choice I am, regardless of how much I agree with those choices.

[dellinger63]

Anyone want to bet these memos don't get released?

Cheney Calls For More CIA Reports To Be Declassified
Mon Apr 20 2009 16:20:53 ET

In a two part interview airing tonight and tomorrow night on FOX News Channel’s Hannity (9-10PM ET), former Vice President Dick Cheney shared his thoughts on the CIA memos that were recently declassified and also revealed his request to the CIA to declassify additional memos that confirm the success of the Bush administration’s interrogation tactics:

CHENEY:

“One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified.”

“I formally asked that they be declassified now. I haven't announced this up until now, I haven't talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country.”

“And I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal opinions.”

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