Denman to call BC races

[Scav]

Should have gotten Dooley, while he is a great fit for the 'type' of person at Arlington, he steps up his game for Arlington's bigger race calls.

Denman just doesn't do it for me, not exciting enough....I am all about the serious voice influxation and callers getting pumped up, like Stauffer and Dooley

Luke gets shafted again.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Luke gets shafted again.

Agreed.. Luke is 100x better and easier to listen to than Denman.

[Gander]

I like Denman as well. Fractional times mean nothing to me while watching a race. Its not as if I can change my bet after seeing to fast or too slow of a quarter or half. And there have been many times I have bet horses who blaze the way very quickly and still hang on, and vice versa get away with easy fractions yet still quit. Durkin is good but I am kind of sick of him calling BC's. Time for a change.

[LARHAGE]

Originally Posted by Gander

I like Denman as well. Fractional times mean nothing to me while watching a race. Its not as if I can change my bet after seeing to fast or too slow of a quarter or half. And there have been many times I have bet horses who blaze the way very quickly and still hang on, and vice versa get away with easy fractions yet still quit. Durkin is good but I am kind of sick of him calling BC's. Time for a change.

I agree, and I like the way Trevor describes what the horses are doing, if you couldn't watch the race on TV you could still feel the excitement in Trevor's calls. He is also a very astute horseman and picks up on a lot of action in the midrace jockeying. I always wanted NBC to let him do more than an analyst spot on the Breeders Cup races. I can hardly wait to hear him say '' And LAVA MAN is moooving like a winner'' in deep stretch!!!! ( or Bernardini)

[ninetoone]

I like Denman. I would also prefer to hear the fractions if I had a choice. Durkin has been geezing for a few years now, but I do enjoy his calls when he gets them right. I'll never forget when he miscalled Birdstone's Travers win in 2004...

"In the darkness at Saratoga, Birdstone has won the 135th BELMONT STAKES!!!" What????? That was ridiculously embarrassing. It's actually still on the video archives of NYRA, I just listened to it again.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Agreed.. Luke is 100x better and easier to listen to than Denman.

WHo isn't?
Every caller alive uses fractional times in the call except Trevor.
The reason he doesnt do it is because he doesnt have to move teh binocs and check for the fractions and announce them.
real pros do this and then have to reset the cadence of the call after training the binocs back on the field.
Denman never posessed the skill to do this.
By not having to give fractions he never has his cadence interrupted and can use those same tired clapped out phrases that were great before we heard them one thousand times.
Heres an example. On Monday a baffert maiden had run away from the field and the camera had him on isolation. Now most everyone who bet that race was at home or at a simulcast, not at the track. Instead of continuing his call and telling everyone who had moved into 2nd and 3rd for the exacta and tri, he did that tired old "they'd have to sprout wings to catch so and so" and stopped his call.
Gee thanks a lot Trevor, there are only about a zillion folks who wanna know who is 2nd and 3rd(you couldnt see it on teh screen) and you are busy with a self serving tired old showoff phrase like that. No thanks. Most guys wanna hear the fractions and whose actually running where in the race.
I'm sure Luke and Durkin and Dooley could make up some phrases of their own like that if they didn't have to be "bothered" with "tiny" things like what the fractions are and whose actually running in 2nd and 3rd.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

WHo isn't?
Every caller alive uses fractional times in the call except Trevor.
The reason he doesnt do it is because he doesnt have to move teh binocs and check for the fractions and announce them.
real pros do this and then have to reset the cadence of the call after training the binocs back on the field.
Denman never posessed the skill to do this.
By not having to give fractions he never has his cadence interrupted and can use those same tired clapped out phrases that were great before we heard them one thousand times.
Heres an example. On Monday a baffert maiden had run away from the field and the camera had him on isolation. Now most everyone who bet that race was at home or at a simulcast, not at the track. Instead of continuing his call and telling everyone who had moved into 2nd and 3rd for the exacta and tri, he did that tired old "they'd have to sprout wings to catch so and so" and stopped his call.

Gee thanks a lot Trevor, there are only about a zillion folks who wanna know who is 2nd and 3rd(you couldnt see it on teh screen) and you are busy with a self serving tired old showoff phrase like that. No thanks. Most guys wanna hear the fractions and whose actually running where in the race.
I'm sure Luke and Durkin and Dooley could make up some phrases of their own like that if they didn't have to be "bothered" with "tiny" things like what the fractions are and whose actually running in 2nd and 3rd.

I'm a big Luke fan and like Dooley a lot too. Trevor is ok, but he's worn a bit thin.

Luke is the best I think at setting up a race early. He's not as good as Durkin late in a race but I don't think any are.

[Scav]

"Need to sprout wings"

So do I, I hate it when he says it, the first, second or even third time was alright but jesus, every other race?

Every time that Sterling wins, Dooley does not say "under a sterling ride" nor does he destroy his phrases like a Top 40 station destroys songs.

He uses the wings phrases three times a race day.

Stauffer is another one, his FOY call with Read the Footnotes and Second of June was top notch "THEY THROW DOWN at the quarter pole"

He doesn't overuse this at all, maybe 3 times a week

[ArlJim78]

Personally i don't look for the fractions from the caller, i can see them posted as the race progresses. I just like the caller to paint an accurate picture of the race shape, who is moving, fading, who is being urged, the lengths of separation etc.

Personally i think Denman is a great choice, but Luke is also a guy i like to listen to. Vic and Collmus round out my top picks.

I wish that you NY guys would get your wish and draft Dooley from the minor leagues out here. Before the end of the first season you'd be taking pencils and stabbing them in your ears to relieve the pain. "and now it's Bootlicker with a wide and hopeful run". blech!

Every caller has his/her overuse phrase. I like Vic because he is creative during a race and he actually will pick a horse when it is a photo. What I dont like about Vic is you can always tell when he has a wager on the race. Durkin was great in the 80's-90's. But he seems to get a little lazy in some of his calls. His voice fluctuation is the best there is during a race. If the pace is slow, he lowers his voice and talks slower. If it is a fast pace, he gets a little higher and faster. Denman, doesnt use times and I dont care but I understand where people would like to hear the times. He does a good job of setting up the race and does a good job at giving you the order. He is horrible when a race is won by a large marjin or if the race is close. Dooley does a great job calling a race that is neck and neck. He prob will be the best caller in the game in about 5-10 years. He is very steady and a joy to listen to. Luke is good but there is just something about him. The guy who calls Keeneland is actually my fav. But I dislike anyone who uses the horses number when calling the race.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Personally i don't look for the fractions from the caller, i can see them posted as the race progresses. I just like the caller to paint an accurate picture of the race shape, who is moving, fading, who is being urged, the lengths of separation etc.

Personally i think Denman is a great choice, but Luke is also a guy i like to listen to. Vic and Collmus round out my top picks.

I wish that you NY guys would get your wish and draft Dooley from the minor leagues out here. Before the end of the first season you'd be taking pencils and stabbing them in your ears to relieve the pain. "and now it's Bootlicker with a wide and hopeful run". blech!

How do you not like Dooley, for the first time all year I heard him call a horse the wrong name, it was the 4 horse on the turf, I think it was Sunday......he does use the wide and hopeful run thing but I like that because he is basically saying "Yo Jock, what the hell are you doing 5 wide"

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Agreed.. Luke is 100x better and easier to listen to than Denman.

att thah wiiiiyahhhhh...i know denman has a place in your hart joe..

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

att thah wiiiiyahhhhh...i know denman has a place in your hart joe..

VERY clowse.. And they're all away to a PUHFECT stott..

Originally Posted by Scav

Should have gotten Dooley, while he is a great fit for the 'type' of person at Arlington, he steps up his game for Arlington's bigger race calls.

Denman just doesn't do it for me, not exciting enough....I am all about the serious voice influxation and callers getting pumped up, like Stauffer and Dooley

I agree 100%. And "they're going very fast" is not sufficient for a big race. Fractional calls are still nice, even though the time is posted on the screen its often very small and cant be read. Voice inflections after a wicked half mile help set the stage for the viewers to expect the closers to come home strong.
Dooley has the voice and passion and skills to be the very best when Durkin ever retires. Hes the most talented young caller in the game by a landslide.

Originally Posted by oracle80

I agree 100%. And "they're going very fast" is not sufficient for a big race. Fractional calls are still nice, even though the time is posted on the screen its often very small and cant be read. Voice inflections after a wicked half mile help set the stage for the viewers to expect the closers to come home strong.
Dooley has the voice and passion and skills to be the very best when Durkin ever retires. Hes the most talented young caller in the game by a landslide.

I think Denman is the best there is. I could care less about fractional times. I can see if they are going fast or not. Denman will actually point out a horse and would tell you to watch for the horse getting ready to make his move. He can see things develop better than anyone. Durkin is old and he cant even call the right horses name. Dooley is good but not as good as Denman.