Derby "might-runs"

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by justindew

Yeah. We should probably stick to threads which are reduced to discussions about Indian food and PG's sex change.

Win Willy
Mafaaz
Terrain
Giant Oak

none of these should enter.

I think we see Win Willy go for the connections wanting the experience. Mafaaz gets an incentive for taking up a spot - so unless somebody wants to privately exceed that incentive he probably goes..

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Win Willy
Mafaaz
Terrain
Giant Oak

none of these should enter.

I think we see Win Willy go for the connections wanting the experience. Mafaaz gets an incentive for taking up a spot - so unless somebody wants to privately exceed that incentive he probably goes..

yeah, the trainer of Win Willy really seems like the type of trainer who would enter a horse in a race "just for the experience". I believe he said before the race "Unless we run 1st or 2nd, we won't run this horse in a spot he doesn't belong".

Do you have a monthly subscription to " Completely Wrong Illustrated" ? Hell....you probably are the editor in chief of the magazine.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

yeah, the trainer of Win Willy really seems like the type of trainer who would enter a horse in a race "just for the experience". I believe he said before the race "Unless we run 1st or 2nd, we won't run this horse in a spot he doesn't belong".
Do you have a monthly subscription to " Completely Wrong Illustrated" ? Hell....you probably are the editor in chief of the magazine.

He didn't run terribly, really, but you're completely right -- Mac is the complete opposite of the kind of guy who runs a horse in a spot just for the sake of doing it....complete opposite.

[blackthroatedwind]

It's very interesting that Godolphin refuses to say why Desert Party lost the UAE Derby......as he was obviously way against the track. There are, of course, two possibilities.....maybe they don't realize the obvious or they refuse to admit they produced a gimmick track on their big day. As amazing as it seems, the former could be the favorite.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's very interesting that Godolphin refuses to say why Desert Party lost the UAE Derby......as he was obviously way against the track. There are, of course, two possibilities.....maybe they don't realize the obvious or they refuse to admit they produced a gimmick track on their big day. As amazing as it seems, the former could be the favorite.

Its even funnier that Simon Crisford basically scoffed at the idea of Regal Ransom being a Ky Derby type horse in February and all of a sudden he finds a way to win the UAE Derby. Maybe they're going with the upgrade at pilot to Alan Garcia to explain the win.

NT

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Its even funnier that Simon Crisford basically scoffed at the idea of Regal Ransom being a Ky Derby type horse in February and all of a sudden he finds a way to win the UAE Derby. Maybe they're going with the upgrade at pilot to Alan Garcia to explain the win.

NT

I wish I had the video, he was really certain Regal Ransom wasn't going to get a distance - this all went down back in January - after Desert Party first beat Regal Ransom in an allowance race. As much as Crisford admitted they think he would have distance limitations, I really wondered why. You know, because sons of Distorted Humor have trouble getting classic distances...Crisford could have looked in their own breeding sheds to see examples of that...say, Any Given Saturday...

The dam, Kelli's Ransom is by Red Ransom, and two highly successful Dubai-owned horses have traveled distances by him - Ekraar and Dubai Millennium.

All that being said, four days of rain, leading to a sealed track for 22 hours each day, up to Dubai World Cup night made it the most biased track of the entire 21 nights of racing in Dubai this season.

Regal Ransom came back and was making plenty of noise in the winner's circle - Desert Party came back looking fresh and ready for more. And you know there are plenty of people who think he has a shot - considering he loses the UAE Derby and his KDFW future odds actually went down a bit between pools 2 and 3.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

I wish I had the video, he was really certain Regal Ransom wasn't going to get a distance - this all went down back in January - after Desert Party first beat Regal Ransom in an allowance race. As much as Crisford admitted they think he would have distance limitations, I really wondered why. You know, because sons of Distorted Humor have trouble getting classic distances...Crisford could have looked in their own breeding sheds to see examples of that...say, Any Given Saturday...

The dam, Kelli's Ransom is by Red Ransom, and two highly successful Dubai-owned horses have traveled distances by him - Ekraar and Dubai Millennium.

All that being said, four days of rain, leading to a sealed track for 22 hours each day, up to Dubai World Cup night made it the most biased track of the entire 21 nights of racing in Dubai this season.

Regal Ransom came back and was making plenty of noise in the winner's circle - Desert Party came back looking fresh and ready for more. And you know there are plenty of people who think he has a shot - considering he loses the UAE Derby and his KDFW future odds actually went down a bit between pools 2 and 3.

My buddy who works the gap in the a.m. at Churchill said both horses look really good, but Desert Party looks especially good.

Apparently Garcia has his choice of the two, and he's likely taking Desert Party.

I'll be interested to see how he works over the next couple of weeks.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Desert Party came back looking fresh and ready for more.

This is their best chance of winning the Derby to date in my opinion. He has developed nicely and his last effort was really strong against the bias. At the same time, I think a lot of people are going to land on him and his price might be a bit on the low side, but still offering a little bit of value.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

He didn't run terribly, really, but you're completely right -- Mac is the complete opposite of the kind of guy who runs a horse in a spot just for the sake of doing it....complete opposite.

The quote in the DRF this morning is that he is still considering.

I'd send the horse.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'd send him to the Lone Star Derby.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

The quote in the DRF this morning is that he is still considering.

I'd send the horse.

If I had the horse I'd want to send him to the Derby too. He got a dream set-up in his win, but he's obviously got at least a little bit of talent and his style could let him get a piece in the Derby (just not 4th, since that's where Terrain will be finishing).

Was just saying that Mac isn't the kind of guy to throw a horse into a race just because he can...I don't think that's the case with Win Willy, you can make a fine case for taking him to the Derby outside of just the fact that he "can." Point being, Mac wouldn't run Mafaaz in the Derby...some other trainers would, just because they could.