4/11 (OP): Arkansas Derby; Northern Spur; Instant Racing

If they do take Old Fashion to the Derby
he could help set up a meltdown.

Good lord what was the horse doing? 22 something, 46...
I guess Bailey is right about trying to hold him back.
It does not work.

[DaTruth]

All you need to know about the Arkansas Derby is that Summer Bird was closing on the top two at the end.

Old Fashioned's only chance in the Derby is to head to the front and hope that it is one of those War Emblem type of years when the jockeys on the frontburners are all thinking the other guy will set the pace.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

All you need to know about the Arkansas Derby is that Summer Bird was closing on the top two at the end.

Old Fashioned's only chance in the Derby is to head to the front and hope that it is one of those War Emblem type of years when the jockeys on the frontburners are all thinking the other guy will set the pace.

old fashioned wasn't exactly pressed early today. he ran too fast too soon, and didn't have quite enough at the end. based on todays race, i wouldn't use him or papa clem in ky. papa clem had a perfect run, and barely beat the pacesetter.

as for summer bird-a late run in one race doesn't necessarily indicate he'll be there with just a bit more stretch to run. he could always come up just short.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as for summer bird-a late run in one race doesn't necessarily indicate he'll be there with just a bit more stretch to run. he could always come up just short.

Just how bad of a race was the Arkansas Derby when a horse like Summer Bird runs as close as that to the top two.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Just how bad of a race was the Arkansas Derby when a horse like Summer Bird runs as close as that to the top two.

It doesn't take much horse to clunk up for 3rd in a fast-paced race. Steppenwolfer ran 3rd in the Derby, Imawildandcrazyguy ran 4th.

It really says nothing about the top two given that they still finished ahead of him.

It does say that Win Willy was a one-hit wonder whose day has already come and gone. Although, I can't imagine anyone was really taking him seriously as a derby horse.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

It doesn't take much horse to clunk up for 3rd in a fast-paced race. Steppenwolfer ran 3rd in the Derby, Imawildandcrazyguy ran 4th.

It really says nothing about the top two given that they still finished ahead of him.

It does say that Win Willy was a one-hit wonder whose day has already come and gone. Although, I can't imagine anyone was really taking him seriously as a derby horse.

That might be true if Summer Bird had finished a distant third, or if he was running down two frontrunners who had dueled from the gate. Papa Clem, who was sitting in mid pack behind the fast pace, had nearly four lengths on Summer Bird at the stretch call. The margin was just over a length at the end. It wasn't like Papa Clem was coasting to the wire, as Rafael had to get into him to hold Old Fashioned safe.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You'd be surprised.....

Did IEAH make an offer?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You'd be surprised.....

Before today why not? He HAD the style that would benefit if there was gonna be all the speed that was projected (before all these speed types started to fall apart the last week or so). Out of Monarchos. While he was a reach, wasn't impossible. I mean...people actually like Pioneer of the Nothing.....so it could be worse.

wow my first post here, old fashion was injured in the race and will not run in the Derby. love the site and hope to post more often. good luck all.