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Old 04-08-2009, 11:52 AM
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Interesting ML on Charitable Man. It feels like he'll end up being the favorite. I know he was very good last year. But how can you take such a short price on a horse trying 2 turns and a new surface for the first time, while making his first start in 6 months?
simple. you can't!
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:38 PM
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How far does Mafaaz win by?

Or how about, what denotes a decent enough performance here to take a shot at the big one!?
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:41 PM
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The very idea that Charitable Man is even running in this race, given the situation, seems absurd to me. Let's see, a 2YO that was able to run two races before getting injured, and hasn't run in seven months, is now being asked to go 1 1/8 miles....with his eye on a 20 horse field at 1 1/4 miles in three weeks. Go baby go.
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:50 PM
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I like Cowbow Cal. What do you think?
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The very idea that Charitable Man is even running in this race, given the situation, seems absurd to me. Let's see, a 2YO that was able to run two races before getting injured, and hasn't run in seven months, is now being asked to go 1 1/8 miles....with his eye on a 20 horse field at 1 1/4 miles in three weeks. Go baby go.
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Old 04-08-2009, 02:22 PM
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Nice field in the Wiley.
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Old 04-08-2009, 03:16 PM
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Nice field in the Wiley.
Return of the champ! Great card overall.

Rollers back on a week rest in the Shakertown?? Really?
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Old 04-08-2009, 03:20 PM
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Return of the champ! Great card overall.

Rollers back on a week rest in the Shakertown?? Really?
He's a mighty NY bred.
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Old 04-09-2009, 04:18 PM
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Return of the champ! Great card overall.

Rollers back on a week rest in the Shakertown?? Really?
I like the card, too. Looking forward to being there Saturday.

Did a double-take on Rollers myself. Has Tagg turned horses around this quick in the past?

Like My Pal Charlie turning back to 7 furlongs. I think he is a big threat in this one.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:52 AM
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The very idea that Charitable Man is even running in this race, given the situation, seems absurd to me. Let's see, a 2YO that was able to run two races before getting injured, and hasn't run in seven months, is now being asked to go 1 1/8 miles....with his eye on a 20 horse field at 1 1/4 miles in three weeks. Go baby go.
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Old 04-09-2009, 03:13 PM
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What do people think of Massone? He was there close to Chocolate Candy in the El Camino Real, and was one and a half lengths back of I want Revenge last October as maidens
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Old 04-10-2009, 09:58 AM
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What do people think of Massone? He was there close to Chocolate Candy in the El Camino Real, and was one and a half lengths back of I want Revenge last October as maidens
The I Want Revenge form is irrelevant, but the Chocolate Candy form is worth noting.
He doesn't have a lot of talent, but at least he handles the surface and runs a little late. He has the best jockey.
I don't see him as one of likely winners here.
The public are going to have to really bet some of the horses that I am tossing, in order for there to be enough value for me to use this lackluster runner, - and they may.
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Old 04-09-2009, 03:23 PM
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The very idea that Charitable Man is even running in this race, given the situation, seems absurd to me. Let's see, a 2YO that was able to run two races before getting injured, and hasn't run in seven months, is now being asked to go 1 1/8 miles....with his eye on a 20 horse field at 1 1/4 miles in three weeks. Go baby go.

is he owned by paul reddam?
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Old 04-09-2009, 05:20 PM
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The very idea that Charitable Man is even running in this race, given the situation, seems absurd to me. Let's see, a 2YO that was able to run two races before getting injured, and hasn't run in seven months, is now being asked to go 1 1/8 miles....with his eye on a 20 horse field at 1 1/4 miles in three weeks. Go baby go.
I totally agree with you. I am amazed that Charitable Man has been able to work steadily since he's been back without missing a single work. That said you never know which is the excitement of this sport. I just can't imagine him finishing better than 5th or 6th. But I am rooting for him.
Perhaps a Preakness run may be more in the offing which is in 5 weeks. There is some sense that horses recover a bit quicker off the poly but, as Kiaran said on Byk's show, if he pulls this off they should bronze him in the infield. He's a good horseman, he knows CM's potential as well as the difficulty inherent in what he is trying to do.
And please say on some media outlet that Charitable Man doesn't belong in the race. I've heard you say that a couple of times with Kiaran's horses at A and it seems like they run alot harder.

That said, who do you like? I find it incredibly difficult to pull these horses apart and come to a conclusion that doesn't include 6 of them.
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Old 04-10-2009, 10:46 AM
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The very idea that Charitable Man is even running in this race, given the situation, seems absurd to me. Let's see, a 2YO that was able to run two races before getting injured, and hasn't run in seven months, is now being asked to go 1 1/8 miles....with his eye on a 20 horse field at 1 1/4 miles in three weeks. Go baby go.
Doug O'Neill was quoted as saying this is a very stupid plan.
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Old 04-10-2009, 11:00 AM
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Doug O'Neill was quoted as saying this is a very stupid plan.
So was running Great Hunter in so many synthetic races but we all have our shortcomings.

However, I do think this is a terrible idea. Really, he may end up being a good horse but this exhibit A of what not to do with a promising yet fragile 3YO.

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Old 04-10-2009, 11:17 AM
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Just noticed while capping this card that the 2008 winners from all three supporting stakes are back to try to defend their titles... Pretty cool considering the constant yammering about 'lack of stars' etc. I've said regularly that the 'stars' are there and easy to appreciate if some marketing entity would laud them.

Five year old '08 Shakertown hero Mr. Nightlinger is 19/9-1-4 ($500k) and won 4 stakes last year for likable Bret Calhoun. 6yo Rebellion (21/7-4-4; $740k) never seemed to reach the apex Motion sought with him last year, but he did win the Commonwealth and Ack Ack and place in the Pat O'Brien and BC Synthetic Mile. Finally, enigmatic Rutherienne (17/9-0-6; $921,555) promptly ran third in 6 straight graded stakes last year after homering in her '08 debut in the Jenny Wiley.

Aren't there people out there that are fans of these horses after 19, 21 and 17 starts respectively? Or do 3yo colts have to be the only stars in the game?
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Old 04-10-2009, 11:31 AM
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Just noticed while capping this card that the 2008 winners from all three supporting stakes are back to try to defend their titles... Pretty cool considering the constant yammering about 'lack of stars' etc. I've said regularly that the 'stars' are there and easy to appreciate if some marketing entity would laud them.

Five year old '08 Shakertown hero Mr. Nightlinger is 19/9-1-4 ($500k) and won 4 stakes last year for likable Bret Calhoun. 6yo Rebellion (21/7-4-4; $740k) never seemed to reach the apex Motion sought with him last year, but he did win the Commonwealth and Ack Ack and place in the Pat O'Brien and BC Synthetic Mile. Finally, enigmatic Rutherienne (17/9-0-6; $921,555) promptly ran third in 6 straight graded stakes last year after homering in her '08 debut in the Jenny Wiley.

Aren't there people out there that are fans of these horses after 19, 21 and 17 starts respectively? Or do 3yo colts have to be the only stars in the game?
I don't know anything about Bret Calhoun but I definitely am a fan of Mr. Nightlinger.

As stated above, it's hard not to get excited for the return of the F&M Turf champ and her truly awesome late kick for the very likeable Sheppard (who could have a monster week- 1 grade 1 down already)!
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Old 04-10-2009, 11:32 AM
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I have been a big fun of Mr. Nightlinger. Can't understand why the same connections entered Chamberlain Bridge though. It looks like they could hurt each other on the front end.
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Just noticed while capping this card that the 2008 winners from all three supporting stakes are back to try to defend their titles... Pretty cool considering the constant yammering about 'lack of stars' etc. I've said regularly that the 'stars' are there and easy to appreciate if some marketing entity would laud them.

Five year old '08 Shakertown hero Mr. Nightlinger is 19/9-1-4 ($500k) and won 4 stakes last year for likable Bret Calhoun. 6yo Rebellion (21/7-4-4; $740k) never seemed to reach the apex Motion sought with him last year, but he did win the Commonwealth and Ack Ack and place in the Pat O'Brien and BC Synthetic Mile. Finally, enigmatic Rutherienne (17/9-0-6; $921,555) promptly ran third in 6 straight graded stakes last year after homering in her '08 debut in the Jenny Wiley.

Aren't there people out there that are fans of these horses after 19, 21 and 17 starts respectively? Or do 3yo colts have to be the only stars in the game?
Not all of us are yammering Steve. We're out here! The sport is facing many challenges, liked your piece on Mullins and Matt H's piece in DRF, but these athlete's inspire me with their heart and conviction. Being a relatively new handicapper compared to folks here, being a fan does make handicapping a more complex process in as much as it can effect my objectivity. But, being a relatively new capper, being a fan is far more satisfying on a regular basis. Good point.
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Aren't there people out there that are fans of these horses after 19, 21 and 17 starts respectively? Or do 3yo colts have to be the only stars in the game?

I only care about 3YO races.

Now, if you don't mind, I have a handicapping challenge to attend to on Thoroughbredchampions.
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