Just when I thought this guy was being smart...

VOL JACK · #1 03-31-2009, 01:45 PM

http://drf.com/news/article/102607.html

Why would Lanzman take some of the money he received for possible the best 3yo in the country, and invest in an overvalued and overhyped 3yo filly that has no chance to win the Ky Oaks?

blackthroatedwind · #2 03-31-2009, 01:49 PM

I wonder what percentage of I Want Revenge translates to 25% of Stardom Bound.

philcski · #3 03-31-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I wonder what percentage of I Want Revenge translates to 25% of Stardom Bound.

Probably will never find out because it would devalue Stardom Bound from the $5.7mm they paid at auction.

I'll guess that 50% of IWR is in the $2 million range and 25% of Stardom Bound was struck at $1 million.

ELA · #4 03-31-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Probably will never find out because it would devalue Stardom Bound from the $5.7mm they paid at auction.

I'll guess that 50% of IWR is in the $2 million range and 25% of Stardom Bound was struck at $1 million.

Believe it or not, from the original deal, which was for 49% -- this is not even close. Scary.

Eric

parsixfarms · #5 03-31-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I wonder what percentage of I Want Revenge translates to 25% of Stardom Bound.

With or without her season to Big Brown?

Antitrust32 · #6 03-31-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

http://drf.com/news/article/102607.html

Why would Lanzman take some of the money he received for possible the best 3yo in the country, and invest in an overvalued and overhyped 3yo filly that has no chance to win the Ky Oaks?

he says why right in the article..

"We're looking forward to the thrill of running a starter in both of the industry's two biggest races for races for 3-year-olds at this year's Oaks and Derby," Lanzman said.

I'm guessing money is not really an issue with this man.

VOL JACK · #7 03-31-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

he says why right in the article..

"We're looking forward to the thrill of running a starter in both of the industry's two biggest races for races for 3-year-olds at this year's Oaks and Derby," Lanzman said.

I'm guessing money is not really an issue with this man.

I read it..It's BS. He values money or he would have never entertained offers for IWR.

Antitrust32 · #8 03-31-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I read it..It's BS. He values money or he would have never entertained offers for IWR.

well hopefully he got a good deal with Stardom Bound... I wonder how much she is worth..

I havent really followed her this year but isnt she still undefeated?

VOL JACK · #9 03-31-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Probably will never find out because it would devalue Stardom Bound from the $5.7mm they paid at auction.

I'll guess that 50% of IWR is in the $2 million range and 25% of Stardom Bound was struck at $1 million.

That is exactly how I was thinking it through... SB has obviously depreciated quite a bit since October. Iavarone was surely releived to drop a quarter of her. Makes you wonder how much IEAH really owns of here, with Pompa and some other big hitters being listed as owners. These guys are all smoke and mirrors.

philcski · #10 03-31-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA

Believe it or not, from the original deal, which was for 49% -- this is not even close. Scary.

Eric

what was the original deal price?

blackthroatedwind · #11 03-31-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Probably will never find out because it would devalue Stardom Bound from the $5.7mm they paid at auction.

I'll guess that 50% of IWR is in the $2 million range and 25% of Stardom Bound was struck at $1 million.

Knowing nothing, I would say your estimation of I Want Revenge isn't even close.

philcski · #12 03-31-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Knowing nothing, I would say your estimation of I Want Revenge isn't even close.

too low i take it?
we are talking about IEAH here... not would *I* would pay which is probably what I was guessing on.

blackthroatedwind · #13 03-31-2009, 02:33 PM

What exactly do you think 3YOs that run huge speed figures, are 3:5 in an upcoming Grade 1 final KY Derby prep, and are currently one of the top choices for the Derby, are going for? You don't really think the selling price is $4 million.....do you?

philcski · #14 03-31-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What exactly do you think 3YOs that run huge speed figures, are 3:5 in an upcoming Grade 1 final KY Derby prep, and are currently one of the top choices for the Derby, are going for? You don't really think the selling price is $4 million.....do you?

Given the irrationality surround Derby contenders, no- but in my opinion he doesn't have the bloodlines to be a commercial hit sire which would push the number in to the 8 figure stratosphere. $8 million is the HIGHEST price I could ever see for him, so $4 million for 50%.

Then again, they did pay $5.7 million for Stardom Bound.

parsixfarms · #15 03-31-2009, 02:52 PM

If someone reportedly offered $3 million for Win Willy, then IWR's price tag is considerably higher than $4 million.

letswastemoney · #16 03-31-2009, 02:53 PM

Stardom Bound is overhyped but....I wouldn't say she has no chance in the Ky Oaks. She's just not the invincible filly that people made her out to be. But she has a chance....

VOL JACK · #17 03-31-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Stardom Bound is overhyped but....I wouldn't say she has no chance in the Ky Oaks. She's just not the invincible filly that people made her out to be. But she has a chance....

To hit the Board.

philcski · #18 03-31-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If someone reportedly offered $3 million for Win Willy, then IWR's price tag is considerably higher than $4 million.

(1) I doubt there really was a $3mm offer for Win Willy
(2) Both have the same main drawing point, a ticket to the Derby/TC
(3) Both have similar OK, but unspectacular, pedigrees for stud purposes
(4) One ran a 113 beyer in his last prep and the other ran a 102, 11 points- 6 lengths (on a one-time effort for both) shouldn't inflate the price by more than 2X
(5) I'm not on the bandwagon of either of them so all prices in that range seem irrational

Danzig · #19 03-31-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What exactly do you think 3YOs that run huge speed figures, are 3:5 in an upcoming Grade 1 final KY Derby prep, and are currently one of the top choices for the Derby, are going for? You don't really think the selling price is $4 million.....do you?

with the current market, i'd still say it's double digits for total value. wasn't street senses deal rumored to be around 20 million?
as for pedigree-big brown wasn't exactly royally bred-but for the most part, a ky derby horse can make a sire fashionable. stephen got even having a top three year old will only make him more appealing. elusive quality was still a very young sire when smarty won the derby-his fee shot to 100k after that.

Danzig · #20 03-31-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

(1) I doubt there really was a $3mm offer for Win Willy(2) Both have the same main drawing point, a ticket to the Derby/TC
(3) Both have similar OK, but unspectacular, pedigrees for stud purposes
(4) One ran a 113 beyer in his last prep and the other ran a 102, 11 points- 6 lengths (on a one-time effort for both) shouldn't inflate the price by more than 2X
(5) I'm not on the bandwagon of either of them so all prices in that range seem irrational

i don't. he's a monarchos for one, there's still crazy money out there for another. he's on the graded earnings list which is something not many can say at this point. he may have come out of nowhere, and he may retreat to the same---but then again, he may not.