Quality Road-Distance-?????

Kasept · #1 03-29-2009, 07:56 PM

As to the thread topic at hand... "Not a distance horse"? Quality Road has the perfect type of modern Classics pedigree with the speedy sire influence (Elusive Quality) and classy stamina female famliy.

Hasn't this been covered? His dam Kobla (by Strawberry Road), is Ajina's full sister. The 1997 Champion 3yo filly... Won BC Distaff.. Coaching Club American Oaks (12f).. Mother Goose.. etc..

justindew · #2 03-29-2009, 07:59 PM

Smarty Jones was out of a Smile mare.

HaloWishingwell · #3 03-29-2009, 08:05 PM

Gulfstream reminds of the old days of Keeneland before the surface change. Ridiculously fast and speed favoring. Keeneland preps didnt exactly fare well back then for speed favoring winners.

Kasept · #4 03-29-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Gulfstream reminds of the old days of Keeneland before the surface change. Ridiculously fast and speed favoring. Keeneland preps didnt exactly fare well back then for speed favoring winners.

Not to interupt with reality, but Barbaro (2006) and Big Brown (2008) were pretty solid off their Gulfstream form going forward to Kentucky.

TheSpyder · #5 03-29-2009, 08:28 PM

Hank's the Special Olympics horse racing anouncer...You love to hate him as he so often is a train wreck. WONDER IF HE BOWLS!

hoovesupsideyourhead · #6 03-29-2009, 08:31 PM

i just know your not dissing the 'sinister minister.'

asudevil · #7 03-29-2009, 10:13 PM

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i just know your not dissing the 'sinister minister.'

I was gonna chime in with the Minister...Our friends owned that horse...What a performance that day.....Destroyed 'em at the windows.

Scav · #8 03-29-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil

I was gonna chime in with the Minister...Our friends owned that horse...What a performance that day.....Destroyed 'em at the windows.

The most track bias victory in the history of horse racing

freddymo · #9 03-30-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Not to interupt with reality, but Barbaro (2006) and Big Brown (2008) were pretty solid off their Gulfstream form going forward to Kentucky.

Actually the fact that Barbaro was an extremely talented horse and that Big Brown ran against horrendous competition does nothing to discount GP's track yesterday nor the real comment that the former Keeneland track and consquentially the winners of the preps didn't fair well in the KD.. The classic example (excuse pun) Sinister Minister seems a more appropiate line of compliment to the previous post then the suggestion that GP/Florida Derby wasn't run a weird surface.

The good news is it appears that the 3 year olds this year seem to be ok and something to look forward to.. Dunkirk's run yesterday was pretty dam good... Unfortuanately Unbridled Song's while brilliant at times never hold up long enough, Plus it seems Pletcher might be back on the NOS which may or may not be tested for in NY or KY? Anyway Dunkirk looked pretty dam good in defeat.

The Indomitable DrugS · #10 03-30-2009, 01:41 PM

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Actually the fact that Barbaro was an extremely talented horse and that Big Brown ran against horrendous competition does nothing to discount GP's track yesterday

Yesterday was Sunday.

I know, it happens when you stay up to the breaka breaka playing high stakes poker.

MISTERGEE · #11 03-30-2009, 02:15 PM

I am still trying to figure out how to read your posts without looking at your avatar-drugs

HaloWishingwell · #12 03-30-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Not to interupt with reality, but Barbaro (2006) and Big Brown (2008) were pretty solid off their Gulfstream form going forward to Kentucky.

I don't think BARBARO or BIG BROWN ran on tracks as ridiculous as Saturdays. Three track records speaks for itself.

NTamm1215 · #13 03-29-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

Gulfstream reminds of the old days of Keeneland before the surface change. Ridiculously fast and speed favoring. Keeneland preps didnt exactly fare well back then for speed favoring winners.

There is basically no comparison between the current GP oval and the old Keeneland. That surface was one of a kind.

NT

Bobby Fischer · #14 03-30-2009, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

As to the thread topic at hand... "Not a distance horse"? Quality Road has the perfect type of modern Classics pedigree with the speedy sire influence (Elusive Quality) and classy stamina female famliy.

Hasn't this been covered? His dam Kobla (by Strawberry Road), is Ajina's full sister. The 1997 Champion 3yo filly... Won BC Distaff.. Coaching Club American Oaks (12f).. Mother Goose.. etc..

From the stuff I use for pedigree analysis, Quality Road isn't the super stamina packed horse that some are proclaiming. They had a big article (bloodhorse?) about how great a distance pedigree QR has noting similar facts as above. I have him rated about mid-pack, a little on the high side, but not high enough to exclude him. His pedigree says he should peak about a mile maybe 1 1/16th. 12 furlongs would be really tough (on paper). I've heard just about all of the contenders hyped as that they "should get the derby distance" and a lot of them are questionmarks. I Want Revenge is a good example. Quality Road was a question, but speed favoring track or not, he looked strong going 2-turns 9furlongs. Form trumps pedigree.

Watching the horse run and forgetting about pedigree, he is very strong and doesn't quit. He's like that running back that drags the first tackler forward. Quality road drags that first 1/16th forward with him. Even in his second race when he tired a little, he didn't stop, and he beat the other horse for place. He seems like the type to keep trying and he can get about another furlong that way.

slotdirt · #15 03-30-2009, 08:20 AM

The thing I've liked about Quality Road in the last two starts - particularly the Florida Derby - is that the horse has some guts. That, and he's really, genuinely fast.