4 possible sweet 16 acc/big east matchups

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again explain to me how they tied with Duke for 2nd in the acc , beat the best team in the country at home , duke loses to Unc at home (i thorw the road game out in chapel hill) and tell me why they are a #4 and duke is a #2, whose to say if wake played at UNC they would have lost in cahpel hill??

duke and wake were 1-1 against each other and both games were
competitive so those wash

so wake loses a spot for losing in the 1st rd and , neither pitt or uconn can fall a spot to a #2 ?


kansas loses to baylor , wake loses to md and kansas gets a three?

and if louisville is #1 , how is wake #16 - explain that one to me?

Unbalanced schedule. Since they didn't play at North Carolina you might as well treat them as a 10-6 team instead of 11-5. Even if you want to treat them as 11-5 they still lost first round and finished 11-6. Duke meanwhile went 14-5.

Wake isn't #16, they were #14, Washington was #13. They got bumped down to playing Louisville cause the committee couldn't put them in the same bracket as North Carolina and Duke.

[Scav]

I have Washington in the Final Four this year, we'll see. Big fan of Lorenzo Romar

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by Scav

I have Washington in the Final Four this year, we'll see. Big fan of Lorenzo Romar

they basically get the first 2 at home too (not too far from Seattle to Portland). I've got them, Memphis and Purdue as the only possibles from that bracket. Faded UConn due to their best scorer being out.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

they basically get the first 2 at home too (not too far from Seattle to Portland). I've got them, Memphis and Purdue as the only possibles from that bracket. Faded UConn due to their best scorer being out.

On what basis? They scored 93 points at Marquette without him. They lost twice to Pitt and once to Syracuse in 6 OTs without him. They likely would have lost both those games with him.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

On what basis? They scored 93 points at Marquette without him. They lost twice to Pitt and once to Syracuse in 6 OTs without him. They likely would have lost both those games with him.

Marquette was missing James that game, so it's a toss in my eyes. Marq without James is mediocre at best. They'd probably have still lost to Pitt, but would have won the Syracuse game. Dyson would have made at least one of the shots at the end of an OT somewhere... if it even made it to OT. Without Dyson, if someone can get their big guy in foul trouble, then they've lost their best option for any balance at all.
Wouldn't shock me at all to see them lose to BYU, Wash or Purdue... let alone Memphis.

[gales0678]

again they are #16 - lousiville is the best team in the country according to the polls and according to the comiittee they were the #1 overall seed

if you want to drop wake to a #4 seed , don't drop them to the #16 spot - that's where they are

how in the world are they not in the west facing the worst #1 seed in u conn in the sweet 16???

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again they are #16 - lousiville is the best team in the country according to the polls and according to the comiittee they were the #1 overall seed

if you want to drop wake to a #4 seed , don't drop them to the #16 spot - that's where they are

how in the world are they not in the west facing the worst #1 seed in u conn in the sweet 16???

They aren't #16, they were #14. Here is what the fourth line looked like:

#13 Washington, #14 Wake Forest, #15 Gonzaga, #16 Xavier

#13 Washington gets matched up with #4 Connecticut. You then go to Wake Forest. Wake can not go take on #3 because it is North Carolina. Wake can not go take on #2 because Duke is already in that bracket. So Wake has to go take on #1 Louisville.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Unbalanced schedule. Since they didn't play at North Carolina you might as well treat them as a 10-6 team instead of 11-5. Even if you want to treat them as 11-5 they still lost first round and finished 11-6. Duke meanwhile went 14-5.

Wake isn't #16, they were #14, Washington was #13. They got bumped down to playing Louisville cause the committee couldn't put them in the same bracket as North Carolina and Duke.

They could have put them in the same bracket as Duke since they wouldn't potentially meet until the Elite 8, but they decided not to. I thought the selection committee actually did an outstanding job this year of seeding the teams. The top 4 lines are very balanced. It really looks like they made the effort to get the best positions possible within the rules, and the commissioner said they did spend a lot of time on it this year.

How I had them seeded 1-16 after all the conf tournaments ended:
Louisville, UNC, Pitt, UConn
Memphis, Duke, Michigan State, Kansas
Oklahoma, Syracuse, Missouri, Wake Forest
Villanova, Washington, West Virginia, Florida State
(Gonzaga 17, Xavier 18)

How it looks like the committee seeded them on the S-curve:
Louisville, UNC, Pitt, UConn
Memphis, Duke, Oklahoma, Michigan State
Kansas, Syracuse, Villanova, Missouri
Washington, Xavier, Gonzaga, Wake Forest
(Florida State 18, West Virginia ??)

* Keeping in mind they probably had to move West Virginia out of the 4-5 game because they wouldn't be able to face 3 of the 4 #1's until the Elite 8, if at all possible. That's why they're probably the best #6 I've ever seen, and like you said Wake had to be shifted down two on the curve to fit as well.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by philcski

They could have put them in the same bracket as Duke since they wouldn't potentially meet until the Elite 8, but they decided not to.

Actually they couldn't:

The first three teams selected from each conference must be placed in different regions. When a conference has more than three teams in the tournament, the committee tries to seed the teams so that they cannot meet until the regional final. Before 2006, this was an absolute rule. However, in the summer of 2005, the NCAA changed its rules to allow intraconference matchups as early as the second round of the tournament, assuming all measures to keep the teams apart until the regional finals have been exhausted.

[gales0678]

Lousiville got scrwed for being the #1 seed and u conn was rewarded for losing and dropping to the #4 seed

ask any coach in the country who would you rather play on a neutral court wash or wake -

look at the odds scott , they are telling you that i am correct

why is wake 9/2 to get out of their region and wash 10/1 , when both louisville and conn are 2/1 ??? the sharps are going to put their $$$ on better teams , this is professional $$$ that went onto wake it did not go onto wash


does anyone really believe Wash could win against UNC , even in Pullman????

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

Lousiville got scrwed for being the #1 seed and u conn was rewarded for losing and dropping to the #4 seed

ask any coach in the country who would you rather play on a neutral court wash or wake -

look at the odds scott , they are telling you that i am correct

why is wake 9/2 to get out of their region and wash 10/1 , when both louisville and conn are 2/1 ??? the sharps are going to put their $$$ on better teams , this is professional $$$ that went onto wake it did not go onto wash


does anyone really believe Wash could win against UNC , even in Pullman????

Ultimately they decided the top team from the P10 was better than the 3rd team from the ACC. Are they probably wrong on that decision? Yeah, but I can at least understand where they are coming from. It was circumstance that got them bumped from 14 to 16 though, not the committee's fault.

Part of the reason that the odds on Wake winning their bracket is so good is that Louisville is a very beatable one seed. They lost to Western Kentucky, Minnesota, UNLV, and Notre Dame while going 16-2 in the Big East with the benefit of not having to play at Connecticut or at Pittsburgh which could easily be the difference between 16-2 and 14-4. As a Siena fan I hated getting a 9 seed (10 or 11 would have been much better) but am at least thrilled that they got matched up with the only 1 seed they could possibly beat. Sure it's a 5% chance they beat Louisville but that is better than the 0% chance against Pitt/NC/Conn who would murder them inside.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Ultimately they decided the top team from the P10 was better than the 3rd team from the ACC. Are they probably wrong on that decision? Yeah, but I can at least understand where they are coming from. It was circumstance that got them bumped from 14 to 16 though, not the committee's fault.

Part of the reason that the odds on Wake winning their bracket is so good is that Louisville is a very beatable one seed. They lost to Western Kentucky, Minnesota, UNLV, and Notre Dame while going 16-2 in the Big East with the benefit of not having to play at Connecticut or at Pittsburgh which could easily be the difference between 16-2 and 14-4. As a Siena fan I hated getting a 9 seed (10 or 11 would have been much better) but am at least thrilled that they got matched up with the only 1 seed they could possibly beat. Sure it's a 5% chance they beat Louisville but that is better than the 0% chance against Pitt/NC/Conn who would murder them inside.

i watched wake push UNC and Duke around they are a top 10 team and for them to be anything other than a #3 or better is a joke , rpi rankings and all

Louisville in my opinion will be the first #1 seed out , i watched it with my own eyes no team took it to carolina like the did this year , they beat duke aslo whe the blue devils were #1 , they can beat louisville

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i watched wake push UNC and Duke around they are a top 10 team and for them to be anything other than a #3 or better is a joke , rpi rankings and all

Louisville in my opinion will be the first #1 seed out , i watched it with my own eyes no team took it to carolina like the did this year , they beat duke aslo whe the blue devils were #1 , they can beat louisville

Wake should probably stop worrying about Louisville anyways. Cleveland State is no pushover (see the win in the Carrier Dome) and Arizona could be a tough second round game.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Actually they couldn't:

The first three teams selected from each conference must be placed in different regions. When a conference has more than three teams in the tournament, the committee tries to seed the teams so that they cannot meet until the regional final. Before 2006, this was an absolute rule. However, in the summer of 2005, the NCAA changed its rules to allow intraconference matchups as early as the second round of the tournament, assuming all measures to keep the teams apart until the regional finals have been exhausted.

Good catch. I didn't know that rule was absolute but it clearly states as such.

[gales0678]

also Kansas is a #3 seed and they are 7/1 to win their region , yet they would play MSU(4/1 to win regino) in the sweet 16 and not the number 1 team in the county

coach (pitino) cannot like this draw

the futures are telling you that wake would be a pick vs msu and they would be favored over KU in an elite 8 match up and they are the #4 seed

[philcski]

Originally Posted by gales0678

also Kansas is a #3 seed and they are 7/1 to win their region , yet they would play MSU(4/1 to win regino) in the sweet 16 and not the number 1 team in the county

coach (pitino) cannot like this draw

the futures are telling you that wake would be a pick vs msu and they would be favored over KU in an elite 8 match up and they are the #4 seed

How heavy are the books do you think on Wake to win the NC considering they went from a midpack ACC projection to #1? That might be factoring into the current futures.

I don't think anyone is doubting Wake is easily the best #4, because they are.

[gales0678]

projected lines of #1 - #4

U Conn - 8 over Wash
Louisviille -2.5 over wake
Unc -12 over Zaga
Pitt -11 over xavier

let's see if these games happen and then let's see how close i get to the actual lines on game day

you can't tell me pitino doesn't feel he got screwed here

[ateamstupid]

Wake really isn't that good. They play good defense, but they have trouble scoring and Teague is really inconsistent. There's no way in hell they'd beat Louisville. The Cards are basically the same team as Wake, but better. Better defense, better guards, better big men.

And I don't know why the hell everyone has Gonzaga as such an easy out for a top seed. This is a Top 5 team in the tournament talent-wise and they haven't been sniffed since the Memphis loss. In all of the "who have you beaten" obsession, people forget to look at how a team has played. Gonzaga is a machine right now with no serious deficiencies, and I took a flyer on them at that 25-1 price.

[gales0678]

Will see Joey , i think 'ville is overhyped , like sniper pointed out they didn't have to play against the conn or pitt on the road or in the big east tourney, they caught syracuse in a 5th game in 3 nights situation in the finals so to me that game is a throwout

if they play like they did against villanova in the 1st half wake could be gone by halftime

remember this is a team that lost by over 30 to ND , not 5 not 10 not , 30 sometihng points , teams with heart don't lose like that

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by gales0678

remember this is a team that lost by over 30 to ND , not 5 not 10 not , 30 sometihng points , teams with heart don't lose like that

You do realize Wake lost by 27 to Miami right?