Santa Anita Injuries; Trainers meet, complain

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I give up.

Yeah, it's all bs.

Honu just mentioned the white elephant in the room and you are giving up now? Hell it is trainer pile on time!

Seriously the human element cannot be quantified. There are some guys that do things that are beyond the line. All breakdowns arent surprises.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Honu just mentioned the white elephant in the room and you are giving up now? Hell it is trainer pile on time!

Seriously the human element cannot be quantified. There are some guys that do things that are beyond the line. All breakdowns arent surprises.

Im not saying its trainer pile on time , I respect what good trainers do and how they take care of their horses and I dont know you in real life but I assume you really care about your horses. What I dont respect and have a hard time grasping is how it is more important to visit with your friends than be at the barn actually training.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im not saying its trainer pile on time , I respect what good trainers do and how they take care of their horses and I dont know you in real life but I assume you really care about your horses. What I dont respect and have a hard time grasping is how it is more important to visit with your friends than be at the barn actually training.

He definitely does.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im not saying its trainer pile on time , I respect what good trainers do and how they take care of their horses and I dont know you in real life but I assume you really care about your horses. What I dont respect and have a hard time grasping is how it is more important to visit with your friends than be at the barn actually training.

I understand and wasnt taking offense. Let not kid ourselves into thinking that some horses that are sent out to run have no business being out there.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I understand and wasnt taking offense. Let not kid ourselves into thinking that some horses that are sent out to run have no business being out there.

This I know , in fact just about my whole career as a jockey was riding the kind of horses that most likely shouldnt have been racing but when that is all there is ,what does a person with limited ability and the desire to be a jockey do.
I am very gratefull that I have gotten to where I am in this buisness , Im gratefull to be working for someone who really does care and has the knowledge to know when to hold em and when to fold them.
There are really no full proof ways to prevent horses from getting injuries other than not racing them , even the best horseman still have horses get hurt , all we in this industry can do is our best , unfortunitly there are people who dont do their best or who just plain dont care.

[Phalaris1913]

Does anyone know if there's been a study to look at injury rates on synthetic surfaces broken down by where the horses have been primarily racing or training prior to the injury? It's one thing to talk about x injuries per y starts, but I would be curious to see if there's a statistically significant difference between injury rates per y starts broken down by horses which have been racing and training over that surface vs. horses which had been racing and training over other surfaces, such natural dirt, turf or other synthetic surfaces.

[Riot]

I don't think anyone has specifically looked at that from the sense you are coming from - they generally have compared breakdown rates at the same facility before and after synthetic installation without separating out where horses are training or shipping in from (Europe, Australia). As you know training locations vary more in countries other than the USA.

You might consider that the non-USA studies are nearly all turf (no dirt), so it's virtually all turf to synthetic.

Go here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

Enter as your search terms thoroughbred equine

That will get you a couple thousand hits (limited to recent), then you can narrow (don't narrow too specifically initially). You also can do an advanced search as alot of that data is now older than 5 years so is falling off the "current" screen and doesn't come up unless you search diligently (I was trying to find the NYRA data on breakdowns at Aque-Sar-Bel from the 1980's)