Kip Deville to IEAH

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

Saint Liam is a Saint Ballado out of a Quiet American mare. He was Horse of the Year. Kip Deville is an Oklahoma bred out of Kipling and an Encino mare. There is nothing there. Nothing.

Not agreeing or disagreeing here with either of you, but let me just say that to me, bloodlines mean very little. If the horse can run, I don't care who his sire was. JMO.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Not agreeing or disagreeing here with either of you, but let me just say that to me, bloodlines mean very little. If the horse can run, I don't care who his sire was. JMO.

In my opinion bloodlines mean everything when talking about the elite in horse racing. The saying breed the best to the best and hope for the best exists for a reason. Show me a horse of the year from an OK bred. Show me any great horse that came from bad bloodlines.

The fact is that horse has done nothing to date. It is insulting to St. Liam to compare the two.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

In my opinion bloodlines mean everything when talking about the elite in horse racing. The saying breed the best to the best and hope for the best exists for a reason. Show me a horse of the year from an OK bred. Show me any great horse that came from bad bloodlines.

The fact is that horse has done nothing to date. It is insulting to St. Liam to compare the two.

Like I said, I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing. Even the great ones started from a humble beginning at some point...

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Like I said, I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing. Even the great ones started from a humble beginning at some point...

No great horse came from breeding like KD's. He is an average horse with below average breeding. He has done nothing to make anyone think he could ever be Horse of the Year. There is ZERO chance Dutrow said this horse could be his best ever. I know groups like IEAH and they say anything. The business is just full of snake oil salesmen. The fact that this guy called me a jackass is too funny. Anyone that would believe that garbage IEAH fed him is pretty gullible.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Exceller

No great horse came from breeding like KD's. He is an average horse with below average breeding. He has done nothing to make anyone think he could ever be Horse of the Year. There is ZERO chance Dutrow said this horse could be his best ever. I know groups like IEAH and they say anything. The business is just full of snake oil salesmen.

This is my last post on this topic, since you obviously didn't read my previous ones. I don't know what ANYONE said because I wasn't personally there. I do know this... Saint Liam could have been the most perfectly bred horse on the track and not won a thing. There have been PLENTY of cases such as that, but instead, he WON and THAT is what made him a great horse. NOT his bloodlines. As for Kip, I won't judge him until I see him race some good races.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

This is my last post on this topic, since you obviously didn't read my previous ones. I don't know what ANYONE said because I wasn't personally there. I do know this... Saint Liam could have been the most perfectly bred horse on the track and not won a thing. There have been PLENTY of cases such as that, but instead, he WON and THAT is what made him a great horse. NOT his bloodlines. As for Kip, I won't judge him until I see him race some good races.

You made my point. Nobody would judge him until he does something. Putting him in the category with St. Liam is something nobody would do off his average race career and average breeding.

Originally Posted by Exceller

You made my point. Nobody would judge him until he does something. Putting him in the category with St. Liam is something nobody would do off his average race career and average breeding.

Performance makes racehorses, not breeding. But your other point is completely valid about having to do something before he is compared to anyone, lol.
Question about breeding. I saw a lot syndicates and ownesr spend a lot of cash last year on expensive horses with "great pedigrees". IEAH and partners bought a "lowly" daughter of Real Quiet out of a WIld Zone mare who has won a grade 2, placed in 2 other grade 2's, and was 4th in the Oaks.
How do you explain this if pedigree is such a determinant factor.
P.S. They are already "out" on the purchase and andything else she does on the track is gravy, to go along with the broodmare value that a grade two winner has. Looks like "the snakeoil" salesman did a lot of good by himself and his people with that one.

Originally Posted by Exceller

No great horse came from breeding like KD's. He is an average horse with below average breeding. He has done nothing to make anyone think he could ever be Horse of the Year. There is ZERO chance Dutrow said this horse could be his best ever. I know groups like IEAH and they say anything. The business is just full of snake oil salesmen. The fact that this guy called me a jackass is too funny. Anyone that would believe that garbage IEAH fed him is pretty gullible.

Oh yeah? Ever hear of a son of Ole Bob Bowers named John Henry.
And watch who you call snake oil salesman, Iavarone puts up a lot of his OWN cash, not just investors money. Its easy to buy horses with investors money, takes brass balls to kick up your own.
But yeah, comparisons to St Liam are a "tad" premature, LOL! haveto know Dutrow and how he says things. Hes probably very high on the horse.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Oh yeah? Ever hear of a son of Ole Bob Bowers named John Henry.
And watch who you call snake oil salesman, Iavarone puts up a lot of his OWN cash, not just investors money. Its easy to buy horses with investors money, takes brass balls to kick up your own.
But yeah, comparisons to St Liam are a "tad" premature, LOL! haveto know Dutrow and how he says things. Hes probably very high on the horse.

John Henry (KY) was well bred despite the fact that people like to make him out to be the horse that overcame great odds. Ole Bob Bowers was a stakes winner that set the world record at 9f. Once Double was also the daughter of Juvenile Champ Double Jay.

KD is an OK bred out of horses I have never heard of.